Global Warming a Fake?

[Lambsy]

Figures can be manipulated. Melting glaciers can't........

Glaciers are supposed to melt, thats the dynamic behind all glaciers.



I know people won't believe me, but glaciers have been melting since glaciers began.

[Lambsy]

Eco Communism is communism that uses environmentalism as a pretext and vehicle to push global communism.

These environmental treaties take away national sovereignty and hamstring whole national economies.
Copenhagen which is sponored by the United Nations ( A communist founded organisation ) , is a treaty designed to set up a binding treaty with a transnational unelected government controling the planet.

This Carbon economy that they are trying to set up is nothing more than an attempt to control( A ) The global means of production and (B) Having gained control of all the means of production, eventually all global wealth flows to UN hands.

Repeat the lie often enough an people will believe it. The media has been pumping the climate communism agenda constantly, so much so that people think CO2 is a pollutant.

Notice in all the climate news stories, the camera pans in on a chimney stack, then zooms in on a exhaust pipe, then pictures of broken ice pack on the ocean. All the while spouting CO2 and carbon is bad.

[eddybear]

That's true eddybear. But one of the arguments is that there was a warm period around 1000 years ago that was warmer than now. To quote from the second link I gave:

For example, some suggest that the ‘medieval warm period’, the 350-year era that started around 1000, when red wine grapes flourished in southern England and the Vikings tilled now-frozen farms in Greenland, was considerably warmer than even 1998.

This is inconvenient to the climate change lobby as there were no big CO2 emmissions then. So the charge is that the figures are being manipulated to support the claim that we are in a new situation. The science is being fiddled to match the theory of man made global warming.

This helps to illustrate an important point. There are 2 issues here:

i) Is climate change happening?

ii) If yes, is this man-made?


The answer to the first is, I am absolutley certain, yes. Stories from around the world all say the same thing. Even mild-weathered countries like the UK are feeling the effects. When it comes to glaciers, Lambsy is right, that they are meant to melt, but the problem comes when the rate of melting is too high, so that they retreat rather than re-generate fast enough - which is what is happening all over the world.

The second question is trickier, and there are arguments on both sides. But whether or not the climate change is man-made or not, we've got to do something about the effects. People are dying.

[Steveg]

Making money in the Carbon Credit game.

In 1999 what was left of British Steel was sold to the Dutch firm Corus. In 2007 Corus was bought by the Indian giant, Tata Steel.

One of the plants was a highly efficient plant at Redcar in NE England, once Europe’s largest blast furnace. This has now been mothballed because of “world overproduction”. However Tata are planning to double it’s steel production in India over the next 2 years so this is untrue. The true reason for this is that by stopping production at Redcar is that Corus will make a big saving on it’s carbon allowance which is estimated to be worth £600 million over the next 3 years.

Then Tata are doubling it’s steel production in India by replacing inefficient plants with ones that emit “European levels” of CO2, under which it could claim another £600 million under the UN’s Clean Development Mechanism. which is operated by the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change – the organisers of the Copenhagen conference.

So the net result is that Tata get £1.2 Billion from “carbon credits” & related grants out of this. Britain loses 2,000 jobs at Redcar, plus an estimated 10,000 jobs from the knock on effect. And the net amount of CO2 emitted worldwide will not be affected.

Oh, and Dr Rajendra Pachauri, chairman of the IPCC (UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) is also director-general of the Tata Energy Research Institute, funded by Tata. Noyt that there is any connection of course.

Source – Daily Telegraph, 12 Dec 2009
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/c...in-Redcar.html

[Steveg]

This helps to illustrate an important point. There are 2 issues here:

i) Is climate change happening?

ii) If yes, is this man-made?


The answer to the first is, I am absolutley certain, yes. Stories from around the world all say the same thing. Even mild-weathered countries like the UK are feeling the effects. When it comes to glaciers, Lambsy is right, that they are meant to melt, but the problem comes when the rate of melting is too high, so that they retreat rather than re-generate fast enough - which is what is happening all over the world.

The second question is trickier, and there are arguments on both sides. But whether or not the climate change is man-made or not, we've got to do something about the effects. People are dying.

That's true eddy. But if climate change is natural, and not man made, then spending billions on carbon reduction will have no effect and will be wasting money better spent on helping those most affected by it.

[smellycat]

the world feed Christians with there agenda so Christians believe its there agenda also.stop listening to others.there agenda is trickery.

[Lambsy]

The climate is changing, its been changing since the world began.

Climate changes between night and day, and climate changes between the seasons.

The Climate will always change.

However when someone says " The climate is changing, polar bears are panting, so lets have unelected world government, that dictates to every nation. "
I just don't accept this crap.

" Won't somebody do something, the climate is changing "

"Yeah sure, we'll do something, will put a massive tax on everything, and give the money to third world countries, so they can catch up with us polluting everything. It won't do an oat for the evironment, but it is doing something. "

Is it so hard to see the political agenda behind the environmental clap trap.

[smellycat]

it could warm for 10yrs,cool for 10yrs.selective truths make people money and change the agenda.

[Steveg]

More "climategate" revelations.

The CRU was selective about which Russian data it used, preferring incomplete data that showed warming to complete data that didn't show warming. It used only 25% of data submitted and therefore omitted readings from 40% of Russian landmass.

Climategate goes SERIAL: now the Russians confirm that UK climate scientists manipulated data to exaggerate global warming – Telegraph Blogs

[Lambsy]

The Fabian Socialists/ Masons, and their associated secret societies have been working to scare the world into totalitarian world government.

This is a very long held dream, and a dream they presently feel can be realized using emergency environmentalism as the driving imperative.

"Save the world" and "Save our planet" are the catch crys, but it only sounds good on the surface.

Behind these catch crys is an anti human policy, a neo malthusian policy that hates mankind, and is preparing inhuman laws to control mankind.

They see humanity as a burden on the planet, that will destroy the world if humanity isn't culled down to managable levels.

They don't see human beings as created in the image and likeness of God. They see human beings as an advanced animal that has over populated the the planet unsustainably, and must be managed down to a small controlable herd, for the sake of the Environment/ Planet.

The problem is that they see themselves as owning the whole world, and they are tired of sharing it.

They are Royal, Elite, the Power Classes, the Finance dynasties, the Corporations, the left and right, all in one. They decide global policy, they decide the science and the news.
If they want the world to believe that the planet is warming, the scientific foundations that they fund will promulgate fantastic lies about horrific global warming with fabricated evidence, and biased modeling.

Scientists often joke about computer modeling, and the conclusions derived from those models.

Lord Monckton is openly calling for the arrest of Al Gore, the scale of the sheer lies that have been told, and that have been forced onto the world, deserves nothing less than this response.

A powerful deception that would even fool the elect, if that were possible, we are living in the times of deception. The many beasts are really just one beast.

These beasts communicate their propaganda by means of the powerful horns of the media.

In the ancient world horns were used for communication, and infact were the most advanced form of communication. Used in battle to move great formations of troops, to control great masses of soldiers to do particular maneuvers.

The media controls the agendas of the day, scientifically, and imperceptively, the people are controlled this way, very subtley.

But something has gone very wrong for them, and their manipulations.

Grace has shown the liars to be liars, grace has seen through these propaganda campaigns. People are no longer sheep that accept the news whole sale, or the cooked science.

The IPPCC's whole existence depends on being not just relevent, but imperative to human existance. So to guarantee its continual existance and funding, it is best served by scaring the crap out of the planet about cataclysmic climate change. ( Am I cynical or do I know how governmental departments work ) In this case its an intergovernmental department, with a global agenda.

The worst thing that could happen to the IPCC is for it to become irrelevent.

It is called the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, if climate change was not man made, and nothing could be done about it. It would just be the Intergovernmental Panel on......... NOTHING.

The IPCC has been found out, and exposed. It is not a serious scientific body, it is a socialist organisation, founded by a marxist socialist organisation the U.N.. They have hijacked the environmentalist movement, in the hopes of harnessing a force so powerful as to spear head their agenda of One World Totalitarian Government.

They are using young peoples love of nature and goodwill towards the environment as a vehicle to control the whole world.

Useful idiots is what Stalin called the idealistic communists, but now the idealistic environmentalist is being used as the useful idiot.

Green is the new Red.