World religions and the christian faith

[TaraMaiden]

What has this got to do with me?
You asked me if I believed Reiki worked and I told you no.

Why are you bringing this up, instead of addressing the points I made in my previous posts, please....?

Also, what is the source of your information?
I have three friends who are reiki masters. (two in London, one in Hampshire, UK)
That's fine, if that's their bag, that's up to them. I don't get involved....

But not one of them does what you describe. This I know for a fact.

I'd like to know where you obtained this information from, it would be interesting to read......

Otherwise, this is off-topic.

Many thanks.



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[TaraMaiden]

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[Onesiphorus]

Dear TM , I refer to #10 your comments on reiki

You say none of your colleagues do what I have said if that is the case then either they are decieved or not practicing reiki , because all reiki masters call on the demon to channel the forces

With the greatest respect as this is a thread I opened surely it is up to me to decide whether what I post is off topic or not

The problem with ego is that you think what I m writing is all aimed at you , ...it is not ....

If you do not fully believe what I have to say then you tell me what your 3 colleagues do to channel the force and I will respond

I too have a friend who is a reiki master and this is his explanation of how reiki heals , now one or the other is lying which one is it TM

As far as defending corners are concerned it seems you are doing your fair share , but as I have a little time in the morning I shall try to reply to some of your points raised regarding meditation/yoga

[TaraMaiden]

Dear TM , I refer to #10 your comments on reiki

Do you mean these comments?

First of all neither Yoga nor reiki have anything to do with Religion. They are physical therapeutic practices. There is a spiritual sense to them, but they have nothing to do with a specific religious practice. Can you show me where these are solely to do with religion please? I'd be grateful for any educational links.....
Secondly, show me anywhere, where Yoga or reiki go against Christian beliefs.

You say none of your colleagues do what I have said if that is the case then either they are decieved or not practicing reiki , because all reiki masters call on the demon to channel the forces

First, they are not colleagues, they are friends.
Secondly, I assure you, this is utter claptrap.
There are no 'demon forces' summoned to do anything.
I have seen them practice, I have had them practice on me (though I really didn't feel any benefits or have any effects whatsoever) and I have seen demonstrations in public.
reiki has nothing whatsoever to do with demon forces. I am of the opinion that it is you being misled.

With the greatest respect as this is a thread I opened surely it is up to me to decide whether what I post is off topic or not

No, I don't see why it should be 'up to you'. It is off topic, because you are addressing a topic that is of no concern to me, has nothing to do with me, and is of little or no consequence.
So you are focussing on addressing something about which I have absolutely no interest in pursuing, and is nothing to do with anything I have said.
How is this not off-topic?

The problem with ego is that you think what I m writing is all aimed at you , ...it is not ....

Well you will I hope excuse that presumption, but you and I are the only two members participating, so I feel it was a natural assumption to make....

If you do not fully believe what I have to say then you tell me what your 3 colleagues do to channel the force and I will respond

They don't do anything. their subject either sits on a chair, or lies on the floor, and they start their 'treatment'. Then when it's over, they stop.

I too have a friend who is a reiki master and this is his explanation of how reiki heals , now one or the other is lying which one is it TM

I would never accuse anyone of lying. But I can ask my three friends to come in and post and join as members, I suggest you do the same with yours, and let them fight it out!!

As far as defending corners are concerned it seems you are doing your fair share , but as I have a little time in the morning I shall try to reply to some of your points raised regarding meditation/yoga

I'm not actually trying to defend any corner.
I am attempting to have a balanced and researched discussion on the similarities and differences in our two practices.
So far, I'm not sure how well we are succeeding.
I have tried to present situations where Christians have met amicably and productively with Buddhists, but you do not seem very content to believe this is a possible alliance.
But you won't tell me why, in any informed or balanced manner.....

I'm trying my best to bring things to the table, but you seem to have no appetite for a good, all-round meal!

[bikelite]

Hi O I do not think you should seek out satan. And I hope you are a man and your words are man words. that is what I see in your words.

[bikelite]

I will fade away I do not understand why you people as you say chist ans will do this but my god says I can not go down the road you are going.

[TaraMaiden]

Have you read my introductory post?
I am hardly likely to be a man with a name like taramaiden, am I - ?

(What on earth are "man words"....?)

This thread is to discuss the different faiths and how they compare with, are similar to, and compliment Christianity.
It is also a place to discuss the obvious differences.

I am happy for you in your path, and that you are going the way you are going.... I would not do anything to persuade you otherwise!

So what would YOU like to bring to the table, bikelite?

[Onesiphorus]

I think bikelite was talking about me he calls me O

I will comment for the last time on thomas merton to say yes I have read his book Zen and the birds of Appetite , so I do know what I am speaking about when I say his thoughts are not christian thoughts as he tries to merge christian thinking with zen , lke i said NO WAY NO HOW .

YOga /meditation , why we as christians should avoid this at all cost is that you know perfectly well why you as a buddhist practices yoga , it was the method used by the buddha to achieve nirvana a nebulous state of nothingness of un consciousness away from the unreality of the unreal universe the ultimate consciousness of unconsciousness

So to practice this you must first believe in the reality or unreality of GOd and of His creation and of the universe .

So to practice yoga/meditation if you are christian is accepting the philosophies incorporated within the philosophy

There re absolutely no similarities between buddhism and christianity we are completely at different ends belief in fact every major christian doctrine is denied in buddhism and it doesnt matter which form of buddhism is practiced
, you yourself while describing the 4 steeps referred to a different form than tharavaden , so at least be honest and admit what i have said above , remember the 8 fold path

[TaraMaiden]

I think bikelite was talking about me he calls me O

Ah. That explains a lot.

I will comment for the last time on thomas merton to say yes I have read his book Zen and the birds of Appetite , so I do know what I am speaking about when I say his thoughts are not christian thoughts as he tries to merge christian thinking with zen , lke i said NO WAY NO HOW

Well, many practising devout Christians would disagree with you.
unless you give me reference and example, I cannot take this further.
I understand you disagree with the premise, but it would be more interesting and constructive if you mentioned specifically what you take issue with....

YOga /meditation , why we as christians should avoid this at all cost is that you know perfectly well why you as a buddhist practices yoga , it was the method used by the buddha to achieve nirvana a nebulous state of nothingness of un consciousness away from the unreality of the unreal universe the ultimate consciousness of unconsciousness

Incorrect.

So to practice this you must first believe in the reality or unreality of GOd and of His creation and of the universe .

Not so.

So to practice yoga/meditation if you are christian is accepting the philosophies incorporated within the philosophy

....but you have a completely inaccurate notion of what meditation is, so I'm not surprised you think this way.
your ideas are built on shifting sands.
You are mistaken.

There re absolutely no similarities between buddhism and christianity we are completely at different ends belief in fact every major christian doctrine is denied in buddhism

That, if you'll excuse me saying, is utter bullsh....t.

and it doesnt matter which form of buddhism is practiced

Actually, it does....

you yourself while describing the 4 steeps referred to a different form than tharavaden , so at least be honest and admit what i have said above , remember the 8 fold path

if I knew what you were talking about, I'd respond....

[Onesiphorus]

Dear TM i feel there is very little point in discussing any further; as every point I raise which if anyone researched any of them can be verified ; you either deny or do not understand , maybe it is you who should take time out and research just what you are involved in and what true Christianity is all about , and get back in contact when you do .

I have posted acts about Reiki, yoga , buddhism , meditation, Thomas Merton , salvation and redemption of sin and many more items which you have just refused to accept , so once again I see no point in continuing.