Am a little confused about something...

[Sparkle1981]

i know that Jews have the old testament and regard Jesus as a prophet but not the messiah,

Christians (us lot) have the old testament and regard JC as the messiah that was prophersiesd (gotta sort my spelling out )

Muslims have the old testmant but regard Muhammed as the messiah......and have the same God as us but call him Allah

Have i got it right about the muslims?

[Innerlight]

Sort of The Muslims do not see Muhammed as the Messiah. Just a prophet. The Muslims worship the same God as Christians and Jews do but they believe the prophet Muhammed received teachings from the angel Gabriel.

Not all Jews accept Jesus as a prophet and not all Muslims do. Some of them just think Jesus was a wise holy man. Others think he was a fraud. Some just think he was a good person who tired to help others.

[Sparkle1981]

Intersting stuff, i always thought that muslims believed him to be the messiah.......

Thanks for that

[Jay Dub]

The Muslims worship the same God as Christians and Jews do

No, I don't think you can say that, They don't believe Jesus is God. That don't believe in our God, YHWH. God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. They don't believe Jesus is the Word. How can their God be the same as our God.

[Innerlight]

Well I suppose what I meant is that the Old Testament God is the same God who sent his only begotten Son to earth to teach us and die for our sins...so in that sense it is the same God.

No, Muslims and Jews do not believe in the trinity so from that point of view you are correct but in the OT (which Christians still revere) the trinity didn't exisit did it? But God certainly did

There are obviously going to be differences between faiths...otherwise they'd all be the same religion but nobody can deny that Christianity has its roots in Judaism...Christ himself was Jewish and the Angel Gabriel appeared the Koran multiple times.

[onesiphorus]

Dear innerlightI think you will find the trinity is mentioned from the beginning of genesis and combine with John 1 they were certainly there

[Lambsy]

Allah is the pre islamic pagan moon god of Arabia, Hubal. This name corresponds with the Babylonian god Baal or Bel. Mohammad worshipped this god allah as a pagan, and Mohammad rather than renaming a new monotheistic god or adopting the Jewish and Christian God, maintained the worship of Allah ( A pagan god ).
Mohammad forced all to worship his god allah over every other Arabian pagan diety.

Mohammad added to his newly founded religion many Jewish Scriptures and Christian Scriptures, and tried to built a history for islam from Jewish and Christian history.

Islam has nothing to do with Jewish or Christian history, it has no history before mohammad except paganism.

Far to many people are afraid to speak out against islam and its intensely evil founder mohammad.

You criticize Christianity or Christ, and Christians will pray for you, and reason with you.

You criticize islam or mohammad, and they will declare fatwas against you calling for your neck to be cut. This is the irrational demonic pride filled, loveless, and blood thirsty reaction that is typical of islam. Even moderate muslims won't speak out against these behaviors, they just shug their shoulders.

Allah is known by many names, and none of them is Love.

The time has come to no longer tolerate these lunatics bad behavior and take them on, head on. They think that they can do anything they want, if someone criticizes their beliefs, riot, kill, bash or threaten anyone.

I tell them to their faces that the koran preaches violence and that islam is violent, and that gets a violent reaction, and they prove my point every single time.

Just be a Christian tell them the truth, and don't be afraid to repremand them for the errors in the koran or their violent behavior. Sure they bash you, but many see in your bashing, the truth, they see their own bad behavior, they see their lack of love. They respect the courage of one Christian surrounded by 20 to 50 muslims, just telling them the truth. Then they get curious, they want to hear more about Gods love, because God is a very distant figure in islam and they are starving for a close intimate loving relationship with God.

God for them is so lofty and far away and so impersonal, that they think that they are slaves, not sons and daughters of God. Make them realize otherwise and half your job is done. They'll want what you have, a close relationship with Jesus, not a distant impersonal relationship with allah.

Ask any muslim who has converted to Christianity, what their personal relationship with God is like now, compared with the impersonal allah worship they used to practice, and they will tell you. " Jesus answers my prayers, allah never did. "

I think I've gone off the subject a bit, but I hope that answers your question Sparkle1981.

[Innerlight]

Originally Posted by onesiphorus

Dear innerlightI think you will find the trinity is mentioned from the beginning of genesis and combine with John 1 they were certainly there

Sorry Onesiphorus. I meant from the point of view that Jesus was the Son of God

So if the Jews believe in the trinity who do they believe the Son of God is

Lambsy I refuse to be drawn into any Muslim-bashing...I disagree with some of your points

[Sparkle1981]

Innerlight - Jews are still waiting for the prohercised Messiah........

Lambsy - I never knew about the pagan stuff - thanks

[Innerlight]

Originally Posted by Sparkle1981

Innerlight - Jews are still waiting for the prohercised Messiah........

Ah right, thanks Sparkle

So it appears that Christians are Jews who believe the Messiah has already come