The Three Earth Ages

[whirlwind]

We were all in the first age...just as we will all be in the next age. Satan rebelled in the first age causing God to destroy it all...He began again with this age in which our same souls are born into flesh bodies. We were spiritual beings/angels in the first age...just as we will be in the next age. We are the same soul in all three but encased in a different body.

The First Age:

Genesis 1:1 In the (a) beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Notice "heaven" isn't plural as it is in [2:1]. Heaven is in the first age and heavens in this second age. Also the text shows the proper wording to be "in A beginning," not "in THE beginning."

The Second Age

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1:2 And the earth was (became) without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

The Hebrew word "was" can also be translated "became" and most modern Bibles now footnote [Gen.1:2] as became.

1:3-5 And God said, "Let there be light." And there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. And God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day (day one.)

In the text "first day" is "day one."

How much time elapsed since the creation (vs.1) and day one (vs.2)? It could be billions of years as science shows it to be. Also notice that the light and the darkness written of are not caused by the sun....for it hasn't yet arrived.

John 1:1-5 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made. In Him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

He is the Light and Satan is the darkness.

There was an age before this one in which Satan was loved by God and called the king of Tyrus:

Ezekiel 28:12-15 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

This obviously predates Adam and would be the time period between [Genesis 1:1 and 1:2]. It sounds to me like Satan (Lucifer) may have been a previous resident of the garden. And I'm sure this also predates his revolt against God.

Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!"

There were "nations" in that first age. Had Satan been up to his "stuff" during the creation God would not have said that it was "very good." God didn't say that until [Gen.1:3]. This may be why John refers to him as "Prince of this World." [John 12:31]


Notice too that Satan was called the "king of Tyrus " in one verse and then the "prince of Tyrus" in another...it must have been after his demotion. [Ez.28:2 & 12]


Peter also refers to the first age:

2 Peter 3:5-7 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water. Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water perished: But the heavens and the earth which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

Peter was not speaking of Noah's flood as our world did not perish nor did Noah's flood destroy the heaven age of our time.....this was the destruction of the first age because of Satan's rebellion. There was a "world that then was" and "heavens and earth which are now." First and second age. That first age is also mentioned in:

Jeremiah 4:22-23 For My people is foolish, they have not known Me; they are sottish children and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge. I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was (became) without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.

It "became" without form and void. God created it to be inhabited but it became void: [Is.45:18] "He formed it to be inhabited."

Jeremiah 4:24-25 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. I beheld, and lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.

This was not Noah's flood. Here there was "no man" or "birds." We know of the humans and the birds on the ark.

4:26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the Lord, and by is fierce anger.

There were cities as well as nations in that first age.


He shook the earth and completely flooded it. That was the time of the dinosaurs. When Satan next makes his appearance [Gen.3:1] in the garden it is after the formation of Adam and Eve and long after his rebellion.


This next is not scripture but the "Book of Jasher" is quoted twice in the Old Testament [Joshua 10:13 & 2 Samuel 1:18]. Some credence therefore should probably be given to this. Jasher was the son of Caleb, a contemporary of Moses and in speaking of the creation Jasher said....

Jasher 1:4-5 And the abyss fled before the face of the light, and divided between the light and the darkness. So that the face of nature was formed a second time.

The "foundation of the world" is spoken about by Jesus in:

Matthew 13:35 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, "I will open My mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world."

Foundation #2602 ~ Katabole, from #2598 kataballo - a deposition, founding, conception, conceive, foundation, to throw down, cast down, descend, fall. It comes from #2596 kata, which list many applications but frequently denotes opposition, distribution or intensity.

From a study done by E.W. Bullinger about the "foundation" of the world...

There are two words translated "foundation" in the New Testament. 1. Themelios and 2.katabole. (snip) A comparison of the passages (especially 2 Cori. 4:9 and Rev. 12:10) will show that kataballo and katabole are not the proper terms for founding and foundation, but the correct meaning is casting down, or overthrow. Accordingly, the noun katabole, derived from, and cognate with the verb, ought to be translated "disruption, or ruin."

The remarkable thing is that in all occurrences (except Heb.11:11) the word is connected with "the world," kosmos and therefore the expression should be rendered, "the disruption, or ruin of the world, clearly referring to the condition indicatetd in Gen.1:2 and described in 2 Peter 3:5-6, for the earth was not created tohu (Is. 45:18) but became so, as stated in the Hebrew of Gen. 1:2 and confirmed by 2 Peter 3:6, where the "world that then was by the word of God," [Gen.1:1] perished, and "the heavens and the earth which are now," by the same word were created [Gen.2:4] and are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment [2 Peter 3:7] which shall usher in the "new heavens and the new earth" of [2 Peter 3:13.]

The disruption of the world is an event forming a great dividing line in the dispensations of the ages. In Gen. 1:1 we have the founding of the world [Heb. 1:10 themelios], but in Gen. 1:2 we have it's overthrow.

Ample New Testament testimony is thus given to the profoundly significant fact recorded in Gen. 1:2 that the earth became tohu and bohu (i.e. waste and desolate); and darkness was on the face of the deep before the creation of the heavens and the earth which are now [2 Peter 3:7].

So....the foundation of this age was because of disruption, ruin...an overthrow of? An overthrow of Satan. God flooded the earth and that age ended. It was so violent that the plates, which had been one land mass split apart. This is why we can find skeletons of African camels, rhinos, etc. in Nebraska!

One last thing that points to the three ages is from Paul:

11 Corinthians 12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven.

If there was a third there was a second and if there was a second....there was a first. There will be a third age at the conclusion of this one.


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[Pariah]

There was no age before Adam and Eve.

If death was in the world before Adam had sinned, then Adam could not be blamed for bringing death into the world through sin.

1 Corinthians 15:21-58 practically centers all of creation, the fall, and redemption on Adam's sin and Christ's atonement that no previous age is required. Indeed, the whole point of the initial body.. the terrestriel natural body is to inherit the celestial.

All one has to do to discount the previous age teaching is to look to Hebrews 9:27 which proves that we had not existed in a previous body.

The previous age teaching can be found in the Satanic bible. The idea of a war between God and Satan is absurd since by a single word, Satan is defeated.... casted out by the Lord Jesus Christ. Satan cannot do anything unless by permission... and even then, believers have Jesus to look to to get through whatever fiery trial they may find themselves in.

It is best not to look to the "lost books" of the Bible to examine extra biblical teachings and then try to read them into the Bible we have. Rather, use the Bible to examine the extra biblical teachings.

[Pariah]

If one examines the Book of Enoch and compare it with the Bible:

#1. Angels cannot marry nor are they given in marriage.

#2. The sons of God were of the lineage of Seth as several times, Job was found among them during this "presentation" that God was showing off Job to Satan.

#3. In lineage of tracing Christ's parents: one is traced back to Adam whom was referred to as a son of God. Luke 3:38

#4. The Book of Enoch testifies of creation that did not come forth when He spoke it and thus was reserved in some sort of damnation. This flies in the face of Isaiah about His word: Isaiah 55:10-11

#5. If no man ascended into Heaven yet until Christ had ascended, then Enoch was not taken to Heaven when God took him. Where is Enoch? Probably the same answer is given about Ezekiel when he was taken up to the heaven as in the actual text term.. meaning the sky. Since two witnesses are to be preaching powerfully during the great tribulation, it could very well be these two peophets. The Alpha and Omega took them through time and space. Since thse two men will die: then His word stand that flesh and blood cannot enter into the Kingdom of God.

All in all: we should use the Bible to discern extra biblical teachings if we are ever to know what is good and what is evil: what is of the truth and what is not as there can be no lie of the truth. Trust Jesus to be Our Good Shepherd in showing us the truth we seek.

[whirlwind]

There was no age before Adam and Eve.

If death was in the world before Adam had sinned, then Adam could not be blamed for bringing death into the world through sin.

Please see my reply to JayDub in the "Study of Jude," post #10, on that subject.

1 Corinthians 15:21-58 practically centers all of creation, the fall, and redemption on Adam's sin and Christ's atonement that no previous age is required. Indeed, the whole point of the initial body.. the terrestriel natural body is to inherit the celestial.

All one has to do to discount the previous age teaching is to look to Hebrews 9:27 which proves that we had not existed in a previous body.

Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

There are two deaths to consider. All are appointed to die physically. We are in flesh in this age...not in the first and not in the next.

Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

The previous age teaching can be found in the Satanic bible. The idea of a war between God and Satan is absurd since by a single word, Satan is defeated.... casted out by the Lord Jesus Christ. Satan cannot do anything unless by permission... and even then, believers have Jesus to look to to get through whatever fiery trial they may find themselves in.

What do you think we are presently engaged in? A love fest with Satan? Of course Satan is defeated but he has a job to do before he walks the plank. He battles with the saints.

Daniel 7:21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;

Revelation 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

By the way, I haven't read the satanic Bible so attributing what has been written in this thread shouldn't be connected to it.

It is best not to look to the "lost books" of the Bible to examine extra biblical teachings and then try to read them into the Bible we have. Rather, use the Bible to examine the extra biblical teachings.

It is best to understand what is written. Did you notice the many Scriptural references to this topic?

[whirlwind]

If one examines the Book of Enoch and compare it with the Bible:

#1. Angels cannot marry nor are they given in marriage.

Matthew 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

The fallen angels weren't...in heaven.

#2. The sons of God were of the lineage of Seth as several times, Job was found among them during this "presentation" that God was showing off Job to Satan.

The sons of God are angelic beings and they/we were here long before Seth:

Job 38:6-8 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?

The sons of God were with Him when these things were done...when the foundation was laid.

#3. In lineage of tracing Christ's parents: one is traced back to Adam whom was referred to as a son of God. Luke 3:38

Yes, he was. He was formed by God...the first in his line so Adam was a...son of God.

#4. The Book of Enoch testifies of creation that did not come forth when He spoke it and thus was reserved in some sort of damnation. This flies in the face of Isaiah about His word: Isaiah 55:10-11

Perhaps it would be better if you would quote Enoch so we could see what was said.

#5. If no man ascended into Heaven yet until Christ had ascended, then Enoch was not taken to Heaven when God took him. Where is Enoch? Probably the same answer is given about Ezekiel when he was taken up to the heaven as in the actual text term.. meaning the sky. Since two witnesses are to be preaching powerfully during the great tribulation, it could very well be these two peophets. The Alpha and Omega took them through time and space. Since thse two men will die: then His word stand that flesh and blood cannot enter into the Kingdom of God.

You misunderstand that Scripture. It does not say no one ascended until Christ.

Also, the "two witnesses," are two groups of witnesses. There are many.

All in all: we should use the Bible to discern extra biblical teachings if we are ever to know what is good and what is evil: what is of the truth and what is not as there can be no lie of the truth. Trust Jesus to be Our Good Shepherd in showing us the truth we seek.

I do. He does.


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[Pariah]

Please see my reply to JayDub in the "Study of Jude," post #10, on that subject.

Okay. God be willing, I shall get over there to read it.

Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

There are two deaths to consider. All are appointed to die physically. We are in flesh in this age...not in the first and not in the next.

Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

But to die once means you did not live and died before, irregardless of the "type" of existence. If judgment is rendered after this life, then there is no more type of life when judgment can be rendered again. It is either resurrection unto eternal life or the resurrection unto damnation.

And if such judgment is to be rendered for this life, then there can be no previous life for then: what was the judgment then? What kind of a judgment could it be if it is not a permanent one?

What do you think we are presently engaged in? A love fest with Satan? Of course Satan is defeated but he has a job to do before he walks the plank. He battles with the saints.

Daniel 7:21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;

Revelation 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

By the way, I haven't read the satanic Bible so attributing what has been written in this thread shouldn't be connected to it.

You have to wonder where these teachings are deriving from, don't you?

And yes, Satan does do battle with the saints, but the sainst are not to do battle with Satan. They are not to take captive lest they be taken captive: they are not to kill with the sword, lest they be killed with the sword. That is the patnience of the saints. So where is the battle from the saints? None. Now spiritual warfare is different since we are to resist the devil and all that, but your references in all respect is about the saints during the great tribulation and thus the battle as far as in that regard is one where you would think there was a love fest cause the sainst are letting the bad guys walk all over them and killing them too.

The point here is, in spite of that, and the reason why they have patience is because Venegance belongs to the Lord. When Sta was casted down from Heaven when the doors were shut for the Marriage Supper, he knew he has little time left: This is a defeated Satan, going down fighting like a sore loser that he is. So from God's point of view: there is no war, because God is in control, however, the perception from the teaching of the previous age would give that idea that there is a war and God can be fought against.

It is best to understand what is written. Did you notice the many Scriptural references to this topic?

Like all extra biblical topics that are taking verses out of context to support a fable: yes, I noticed that.

[Pariah]

Matthew 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

The fallen angels weren't...in heaven.

Come on, sister whirlwind. How can they still be called the sons of God when mingling with the daughters of men?

Why would the Bible refer fallen angels as the sons of God?

And that these sons of God took wives unto themselves also?

How can they be considered wives if God would not permit this marriage since it is He that joins the two to be one flesh in order for the woman to be called a wife? You really think those gay marriages are marriages in the eyes of God? Do you really think God would join two men or two women in a covenant of marriage that they would be called husband and wife in His eyes? I think not. Then why would God call these women wives to a union He would not endorse?

Remember how God defined a marriage? When a man leaves his father and mother and cleave to his wife to be one flesh.

Don't forget the fact that the Book of Enoch pictured the offsprings as spirits: and not just giants.

John 3: 6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

1 Corinthians 15: 38But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body. 39All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. 40There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. ....

I would believe that if fallen angels could multiply if God gave it seeds, then they would be reproducing among themselves in building their armies, but the celestial does not have seeds. If the angels in Hevaen does not have the ability to reproduce, then being in a fallen state will not give these being the ability to reproduce either. When God created everything: He set forth the law in His creation. kind reproduce after its own kind. Since every fruit of the womb is a heritage from the Lord, then how can any of it be of Satan and his angels? This is why God will judge every sinner because He is Their Creator and thus Their Judge.

I am asking you to take pause in this, brother. This "extra knowledge" is flying in the face of God's words of the accepted Bible. All that rationalization in trying to fit it into the Bible is not going to work. It is a fable that turns from the truth in God's words.

God making a reference to Job about the foundation of the world is in light of his present knowledge that the sons of God sang with the morning stars because Job was with them declaring the wonders of God in songs as well, otherwise, why would Job take note of that as a reference? Job was with the sons of God singing songs about the wonders of creation as we would sing in a few of our hymnals and it includes referring to the foundation of the world along with other testament of God's creation.

Don't forget the cold hard fact that every time the sons of God presented themselves to the Lord when He visitted them, that God referenced Job TWO times because Job was among them.

The reference of the sons of God is a point of pride in family reference for the Israelites. It was the lineage of Seth that broke away from the immediate family intermingling that sought to honour God and took wives outside that lineage with other family members that were not honouring God as a practise or tradition. This outside choosing of wives from the traditional family has led to the breaking away from traditions that led to the violence that spread among the earth as every thought of man was evil continuously...save for Noah and his family.

Note the parallel in learning from that grave lesson as the Israelites are instructed not to marry outside of Israel, even though once they had become a nation, they were no longer allowed to marry within the immediate family members, and thus Isreal was designated as that family unity of the sons of God. And in spite of that grave lesson, Israel has married outside of the family unity and got their troubles for doing so.

So take a step back, sister, and ask yourself this. To what testament does this fable offer to Christ Jesus in seeking His glory? None. All this does is bring a vanity and vainglorying about some hidden knowledge not so "plainly seen" in the accepted Bible...which turns from the truth in God's words.

[whirlwind]

Okay. God be willing, I shall get over there to read it.



But to die once means you did not live and died before, irregardless of the "type" of existence. If judgment is rendered after this life, then there is no more type of life when judgment can be rendered again. It is either resurrection unto eternal life or the resurrection unto damnation.

And if such judgment is to be rendered for this life, then there can be no previous life for then: what was the judgment then? What kind of a judgment could it be if it is not a permanent one?

A person can only die two times. All are destined to "die once" but not all will die twice. No one died when He destroyed the first age. The only death yet to be experienced by any soul is physical death in this flesh age but no one, not even the most wicked, has yet died the final, second, death.

Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

As for judgment after this life....there are two. At the end of this flesh age souls are judged/placed on one side of the gulf...or the other, for the duration of the millennium. At the end of that time our Father judges those on the "other side" and it is the final judgment. What are they judged on?

Revelation 20:11-15 And I saw a great white throne, and Him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

We are either spiritually living or spiritually dead. The "dead" being judged are those that were not of the first resurection. They are considered dead throughout the millennium but they are taught, they shall do works, they shall be judged on their works. Then....the second death or life. Then....eternity.


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What do you think we are presently engaged in? A love fest with Satan? Of course Satan is defeated but he has a job to do before he walks the plank. He battles with the saints.

Daniel 7:21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;

Revelation 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

By the way, I haven't read the satanic Bible so attributing what has been written in this thread shouldn't be connected to it.

You have to wonder where these teachings are deriving from, don't you?

No need to wonder at all. Did you not see the Scriptural teaching? Our Father tells us.

And yes, Satan does do battle with the saints, but the sainst are not to do battle with Satan. They are not to take captive lest they be taken captive: they are not to kill with the sword, lest they be killed with the sword. That is the patnience of the saints. So where is the battle from the saints? None. Now spiritual warfare is different since we are to resist the devil and all that, but your references in all respect is about the saints during the great tribulation and thus the battle as far as in that regard is one where you would think there was a love fest cause the sainst are letting the bad guys walk all over them and killing them too.

Of course we battle Satan...Satan and all his deception. That is our purpose. The "patience of the saints" is to wait for the true Savior and not fall into apostasy during the tribulation. This battle is spiritual. That is the "battle from the saints." That is the only battle. It is not physical.

Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

The point here is, in spite of that, and the reason why they have patience is because Venegance belongs to the Lord. When Sta was casted down from Heaven when the doors were shut for the Marriage Supper, he knew he has little time left: This is a defeated Satan, going down fighting like a sore loser that he is. So from God's point of view: there is no war, because God is in control, however, the perception from the teaching of the previous age would give that idea that there is a war and God can be fought against.

God's "point of view" is written. You may not see it as a war but He does for it is written that Satan is to, "make WAR with the saints."

It is best to understand what is written. Did you notice the many Scriptural references to this topic?

Like all extra biblical topics that are taking verses out of context to support a fable: yes, I noticed that.

Extra Biblical? Please reread the previous posts.

[whirlwind]

Originally Posted by whirlwind
Matthew 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
The fallen angels weren't...in heaven.

Come on, sister whirlwind. How can they still be called the sons of God when mingling with the daughters of men?

Why would the Bible refer fallen angels as the sons of God?

And that these sons of God took wives unto themselves also?

We are either sons of God or sons of man. Spirit/flesh. Once born into flesh we are sons of man but will again be....sons of God if we are spiritually alive.

John 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on His name:

Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

This life, our actions in this flesh life, decide if we will again be "sons of God." The angels that were to fall....were sons of God because they were not born into flesh. However, because of their great sin, they were condemned.

How can they be considered wives if God would not permit this marriage since it is He that joins the two to be one flesh in order for the woman to be called a wife? You really think those gay marriages are marriages in the eyes of God? Do you really think God would join two men or two women in a covenant of marriage that they would be called husband and wife in His eyes? I think not. Then why would God call these women wives to a union He would not endorse?

Remember how God defined a marriage? When a man leaves his father and mother and cleave to his wife to be one flesh.

Is it written that they were married or that they "took wives?" Is it written that God endorsed this union? Is it written that they were "husband and wife?"

Many, including me, believe these were "daughters of Adam" that were "taken." The reason being the fallen angels tried to sully the line to Christ. As it was, only Noah and his family were "perfect in their generations." Perfect meaning not mixed geneologically with angelic beings. The daughters of Adam, the chosen people, are the wife of the Lord, promised to Him. Were they the wives that were taken? I think so.

Don't forget the fact that the Book of Enoch pictured the offsprings as spirits: and not just giants.

I again ask you to provide quotes from Enoch.

John 3: 6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

1 Corinthians 15: 38But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body. 39All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. 40There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. ....

I would believe that if fallen angels could multiply if God gave it seeds, then they would be reproducing among themselves in building their armies, but the celestial does not have seeds. If the angels in Hevaen does not have the ability to reproduce, then being in a fallen state will not give these being the ability to reproduce either. When God created everything: He set forth the law in His creation. kind reproduce after its own kind. Since every fruit of the womb is a heritage from the Lord, then how can any of it be of Satan and his angels? This is why God will judge every sinner because He is Their Creator and thus Their Judge.

Genesis 1:26-27 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them.

He tells us how we are created and He tells us that man is created "male and female." Adam was one being and the female taken from him. Adam was a son of God, as are the angels....so they too are one being which contains both male and female. For that reason it is written.....

Matthew 19:4 And He answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that He which made them at the beginning made them male and female,

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Before we were "made," at the beginning of this age....He made us male and female. When this life as "man" is over then we are again one. One being, as angelic beings are, cannot multiply. As for seed and fallen angels....I can only offer what is written:

Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her Seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise His heel.

I am asking you to take pause in this, brother. This "extra knowledge" is flying in the face of God's words of the accepted Bible. All that rationalization in trying to fit it into the Bible is not going to work. It is a fable that turns from the truth in God's words.

And I ask you to understand...this is not "extra knowledge," nor is it a "fable." This is written...."have ye not read?"

God making a reference to Job about the foundation of the world is in light of his present knowledge that the sons of God sang with the morning stars because Job was with them declaring the wonders of God in songs as well, otherwise, why would Job take note of that as a reference? Job was with the sons of God singing songs about the wonders of creation as we would sing in a few of our hymnals and it includes referring to the foundation of the world along with other testament of God's creation.

Don't forget the cold hard fact that every time the sons of God presented themselves to the Lord when He visitted them, that God referenced Job TWO times because Job was among them.

You are mistaken.

Job 1:1 There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.


1:6-8 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered My servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?


Job 2:1-3 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD. And the LORD said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered My servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst Me against him, to destroy him without cause.

2:6-7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, he is in thine hand; but save his life. So went Satan forth from the presence of the LORD, and smote Job with sore boils from the sole of his foot unto his crown.

As is written...Job was NOT "among them."

The reference of the sons of God is a point of pride in family reference for the Israelites. It was the lineage of Seth that broke away from the immediate family intermingling that sought to honour God and took wives outside that lineage with other family members that were not honouring God as a practise or tradition. This outside choosing of wives from the traditional family has led to the breaking away from traditions that led to the violence that spread among the earth as every thought of man was evil continuously...save for Noah and his family.

Where is it written that sons of God were in the lineage of Seth?

Note the parallel in learning from that grave lesson as the Israelites are instructed not to marry outside of Israel, even though once they had become a nation, they were no longer allowed to marry within the immediate family members, and thus Isreal was designated as that family unity of the sons of God. And in spite of that grave lesson, Israel has married outside of the family unity and got their troubles for doing so.

You're mixing apples and oranges. I agree that Israel was not to marry outside Israel. Races are to remain races...as created by our Father. This has nothing to do with sons of God.

So take a step back, sister, and ask yourself this. To what testament does this fable offer to Christ Jesus in seeking His glory? None. All this does is bring a vanity and vainglorying about some hidden knowledge not so "plainly seen" in the accepted Bible...which turns from the truth in God's words.

Take a step back? No thank you. When He opens our eyes to a truth....there is no going back.

Colossians 4:3 Withal praying also for us, that God would open unto us a door of utterance, to speak the mystery of Christ, for which I am also in bonds:

Revelation 3:8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept My word, and hast not denied My name.

I must ask why you consider this a fable when it is written? How does it "turn from truth" when it is written? How does understanding this make one vain when it is written for all to understand?

[canny]

You are mistaken.

I am not sure that Pariah is mistaken whirlwind ?