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Reply With QuoteScripture tells us what is truth, its just accepting what it says rather than mans philosophy and Greek and pagan mythology.Originally Posted by ProphecyKid
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I think this is what you are refering to, and that this is not what is being shown by scripture but is more mans ideas/philosopy:
Main Entry: ni·hil·ism
Pronunciation: \ˈnī-(h)ə-ˌli-zəm, ˈnē-\
Function: noun
Etymology: German Nihilismus, from Latin nihil nothing — more at nil
Date: circa 1817
1 a : a viewpoint that traditional values and beliefs are unfounded and that existence is senseless and useless b : a doctrine that denies any objective ground of truth and especially of moral truths
2 a : a doctrine or belief that conditions in the social organization are so bad as to make destruction desirable for its own sake independent of any constructive program or possibility b capitalized : the program of a 19th century Russian party advocating revolutionary reform and using terrorism and assassination
— ni·hil·ist \-list\ noun or adjective
— ni·hil·is·tic \ˌnī-(h)ə-ˈlis-tik, ˌnē-\ adjective
Level 3 Scripture tells us what is truth, its just accepting what it says rather than mans philosophy and Greek and pagan mythology.
Level 3 The wages of sin is death, you cannot die if you keep living with Satan and his angels in a Greek myth of hades.
Unfortunately no credible Bible translates aionon as anything other than everlasting. You can agree with the New World Translation that the cult called the Jehovah's Witnesses use but that is another story.
Jesus said,"I am the first and the last, and the living One; and I was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore [eis tous aionas ton aionon] (Rev. 1:17-18, NASB).
Revelation 20:10: "And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever [eis tous aionas ton aionon]."
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"Then He will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels;
GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
"Then the king will say to those on his left, 'Get away from me! God has cursed you! Go into everlasting fire that was prepared for the devil and his angels!
King James Bible
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
American Standard Version
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into the eternal fire which is prepared for the devil and his angels:
Bible in Basic English
Then will he say to those on the left, Go from me, you cursed ones, into the eternal fire which is ready for the Evil One and his angels:
Douay-Rheims Bible
Then he shall say to them also that shall be on his left hand: Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels.
Darby Bible Translation
Then shall he say also to those on the left, Go from me, cursed, into eternal fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
English Revised Version
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into the eternal fire which is prepared for the devil and his angels:
Tyndale New Testament
Then shall the king say unto them that shall be on the left hand: depart from me ye cursed, into everlasting fire, which is prepared for the devil and his angels.
Weymouth New Testament
"Then will He say to those at His left, "'Begone from me, with the curse resting upon you, into the Fire of the Ages, which has been prepared for the Devil and his angels.
Webster's Bible Translation
Then will he say also to them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
World English Bible
Then he will say also to those on the left hand,'Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire which is prepared for the devil and his angels;
Young's Literal Translation
Then shall he say also to those on the left hand, Go ye from me, the cursed, to the fire, the age-during, that hath been prepared for the Devil and his messengers;
Lampstand Senior Member Very well I shall tell you what is in Scripture
Matthew 25:31-41 and I shall quote directly from verse 41
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand ;( the nations/goats of verses 32 &33 ); Depart from me ,ye cursed ,into everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels
That is what scripture says ,now are you going to add or subtract from it ?
Last edited by Onesiphorus; 03-15-2010 at 07:45 AM.
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That also, links with the very clear teaching in Revelation 20:10,
" And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever ".
Never be overwhelmed by decisions, just consider the right ones and your options will be far fewer.
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Post 2.
How could God who says that He is love, could burn countless billions of people in hell for all eternity, this is not the deciding factor of my conviction. You are simply wrong about there being no evidence for what I believe in the bible. To the contrary, there is far greater scriptural evidence, than for those who believe in eternal torment.
Then who's human reasoning is this ? You say " not the deciding factor " but obviously it is " a "factor for you, so who's human reasoning is this ? Yours alone ? Or have you taken on board someone elses teaching ?How could God who says that He is love, could burn countless billions of people in hell for all eternity, this is not the deciding factor of my conviction.
Take care my friend, I don't ask a question unless I know the answer as to what teacher posed this question.
Also take care because when you say " lets look at what Scripture says " and to then put in a statement such as,
How could God who says that He is love, could burn countless billions of people in hell for all eternity,
that is a statement of pure human reasoning, is nothing to do with " lets look at what Scripture says " and is questioning God's reasoning. We are treading dangerous waters when we question God's reasoning. Very dangerous waters indeed.
Who are you talking to, here in post 2, before anyone has replied to you ?You are simply wrong about there being no evidence for what I believe in the bible.
Last edited by Lily; 03-15-2010 at 09:34 AM.
Never be overwhelmed by decisions, just consider the right ones and your options will be far fewer.
Level 3 No human reasoning is needed when God makes it clear that wicked will perish and sin is to be punish with death which seperates you eternally from God, and how do you do that?
We see in Matt 10:28 the end of that terrible process is to "destroy both body and soul" in eternal fire. A destruction that is fully capable of "destroying them by reducing them to ashes" as Peter tells us when speaking of other examples where God has destroyed by eternal fire.
Here is basically, what happens:
1. When we die we are truly dead; we know not anything, we do not praise God nor can we get any further reward; the body returns to the earth and the spirit/breath to God. Death is likened to sleep in the Bible over 23 times (*see last section of this paper). Some call it “sleeping in Christ” and some call it “soul sleep” – it doesn’t matter what you call it for it is what it is. “Sleeping in Christ” is just a poetic way of talking about the righteous that are dead – they are sleeping in Christ. And there is no mention anywhere in the scriptures that says the spirit is conscious, has memory, or is anything more than what it says it is - breath.
2. We get buried (usually – but it doesn’t matter to God how we are put to rest) and we stay there until Christ comes.
3. Now a split occurs when Christ returns; the righteous dead and living are called up in glorified bodies to meet Christ in the air to get our reward (eternal life) and the wicked dead stay in the graves and the wicked alive are slain at Christ's return (remember, there are TWO resurrections just as John 5:28-29, Dan12:2 and 1 Thess 4:16 states).
4. The alive wicked are slain by the Word of God and Satan is bound for 1,000 years (Revelation 20:2 & 3). After 1,000 years (known to some as the Millennium – see Rev 20:2-7) the righteous (saints) return to earth with Jesus and the wicked are resurrected in order to receive their judgment.
5. THAT is when the lake of fire is created and the wicked, along with Satan and with their sin, are destroyed for eternity (*see Rev 19:20 & Rev 20:10-15)
6. Then, and only then, is the new earth created for us for all eternity just as God’s plan originally meant for it to be (*see Isaiah 65:17, Isaiah 66:22, 2 Peter 3:13, and Revelation 21:1).
Level 4 I am not debating words here so it not useful to post the same verse in different translations. This is the question to you.
Jud 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Are Sodom and Gomorrha still burning now? Was the fire not eternal?
Level 4 Luk 17:29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
Luk 17:30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
2Pe 2:6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
Now if Sodom and Gomorrah is an example to those who live ungodly wouldn't they be destroyed likewise?
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