the law is dead

[smellycat]

if higher than the law persecute you,the law is dead.
ie the law says do not kill,and you have abortion.
the law becomes dead.
the real law is love.
humanity need to understand this.

[weareisaac]

Not sure what you mean by this?


The law is not dead

Please clarify what you mean

Thanks

God Bless

[smellycat]

if Gods commandments are made of no effect by humanity.
ie abortion,euthanasia etc.
then the governments are not of God.
when we pray we ask to keep us away from the evil one.
ie we ask not to put us in a situation to break Gods commandments.
this world is like a huge what if.
if God keeps you away from evil the what ifs dissapear.

[ProphecyKid]

The real law is love but that is very broad. That is why the bible then explains what it means to love. Love for God and Love for your fellow men. But what does that mean? Then you have the 10 commandments. First 4 show love for God, last 6 show love for fellow men. But then it stlll can be explained further so you have the entire bible to explain the principle of love further. Jesus himself came to fulfill the law. He filled it full.

[Onesiphorus]

When did Jesus Christ actually fulfill the law ,so that the 10 commandments and the 613 mitzvot were no longer needed to be practiced by the Jews

I say the Jews because Gentiles were never covenanted to live according to these

I also ask this as the Jews still doteach and practice these

and if Gentiles never lived according to these and the Church the body of Christ ,have salvation by faith alone and not of works ,by the Gospel of Grace through the blood ,have become a new creation ,having the love of Christ in us because we have Christ in us through being born again .

THis is not the same as what Christ Jesus was speaking of in Matthew 5,6 &7 which is concerning the Israel ,the Mosaic/Davidic Covenant and the message of the Kingdom ,the prophetic future for the future earthly kingdom of Israel;

[smellycat]

if the government is corrupt .

all laws are made false.
we don,t live under Gods government but satans.
we are being deluded high people care about us.

[ProphecyKid]

When did Jesus Christ actually fulfill the law ,so that the 10 commandments and the 613 mitzvot were no longer needed to be practiced by the Jews

I say the Jews because Gentiles were never covenanted to live according to these

I also ask this as the Jews still doteach and practice these

and if Gentiles never lived according to these and the Church the body of Christ ,have salvation by faith alone and not of works ,by the Gospel of Grace through the blood ,have become a new creation ,having the love of Christ in us because we have Christ in us through being born again .

THis is not the same as what Christ Jesus was speaking of in Matthew 5,6 &7 which is concerning the Israel ,the Mosaic/Davidic Covenant and the message of the Kingdom ,the prophetic future for the future earthly kingdom of Israel;

Well a few things to note. The 10 commandments covenant is different to the covenant which contained all the other laws written by Moses. And the 10 commandments being apart of that covenant does not mean that it did not exist before. What made the covenant a covenant was the agreement. I could give you a house and you could live in it for 10 years and then we make an agreement that you will give me back in 2 years. If you fail to give me back and I have mercy we can make a new agreement but it doesn't mean that I no longer want the house.

Another thing to look at was who the law was really for. Why was it that the Jews were chosen? Everyone agrees that the nation of Israel was supposed to be the agent of Salvation to the world. But then why do we also believe that the commandments should only be for the Jews rather than it should also be kept by the world. The bible says that salvation is of the Jews but it was never meant to remain only for the Jews. The same was the law was given to the Jews but it was never meant to remain only for the Jews. The shadows of Christ contained in the law would have been done away with at the cross so those shadows do not remain whether you are Jewish or not.

No one was ever saved by grace. The notion that the church now is saved by grace through faith is false. Man was always saved by grace through faith. The many laws given by Moses were significant at that time because Jesus had not yet come and his blood was not yet shed. The people had to adhere to the laws which contain the shadows of Christ in order for them to get justification and forgiveness for their sins. But it was not the doing of the law but the symbolic blood of Jesus that saved them.

[DeaconDan]

I also ask this as the Jews still doteach and practice these

Most so-called Jews do not even believe in God, let alone follow the Law. The Law requires sacrifice. How is that going in Jewish communities? Israel is the most pro-homosexual country in the world (in spite of the significant Arab population). What does the Old Testament say about homosexual acts? Why do you say otherwise?

and if Gentiles never lived according to these and the Church the body of Christ ,have salvation by faith alone and not of works ,by the Gospel of Grace through the blood ,have become a new creation ,having the love of Christ in us because we have Christ in us through being born again .

Christians follow the Law. Paul followed the Law. The Apostles followed the Law. Jesus followed the Law. To argue that we do not have to follow the Law is to argue that we are free to sin. Anyone who pursues sin is not a new creation.

[Bloodbought]

When Christ fullfilled the law He fullfilled the requirements of the law in relation to our sin. That is, He was the sacrifice which was made for our sin. There is therefore no sacrifice required by the law since that sacrifice has been made on the cross. In that sense the Law is dead.

We as believers should be motivated by Love on for another. Jesus said this is a greater commandment. If we keep this commandment we will automatically be keeping all the others.

[Chuckt]

No one was ever saved by grace. The notion that the church now is saved by grace through faith is false. Man was always saved by grace through faith. The many laws given by Moses were significant at that time because Jesus had not yet come and his blood was not yet shed. The people had to adhere to the laws which contain the shadows of Christ in order for them to get justification and forgiveness for their sins. But it was not the doing of the law but the symbolic blood of Jesus that saved them.

Yes they were. The law doesn't save people. The law is only a school master. The law is a mirror and the mirror doesn't clean you. The law only shows you that you are dirty. It is by grace that we are saved. You cannot be saved by the law or by keeping works.

Acts 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law [is] the knowledge of sin.
Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Galatians 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, [it is] evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;