Satan being cast to the earth from the Revelation Study

[Jay Dub]

Richard

Where do you see the fulfillment of the prophesey in the garden

Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel

If this happened at the cross do you think that Satan still had access to heaven after the cross?

[Richard_1]

Jay Dub wrote

Richard

Where do you see the fulfillment of the prophesey in the garden

Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel

If this happened at the cross do you think that Satan still had access to heaven after the cross?

So lets look at the prophecy in Genesis. We have Satan brusing the heal of the offspring (Messiah) of the woman (this happened at the cross) and the offspring crushing the head of Satan (this happens after the millennium). Yet we see today that Satans head has not been crushed (finally destroyed in the Lake of fire). That does not come until Jesus return and the end of the millennial kingdom on earth. Then the head of Satan will be crushed (destroyed).

Just as in the book of Job where Satan came before God in heaven and accused Job we see that Satan has been doing the same up until he is cast out during the tribulation.

Revelation 12:9-10 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

For there to have been accusation of the brethren (fellow believers) then Satan would have to have had access to heaven to present those accusations. And here in the last part of the tribulation he is cast down to earth and out of heaven where he can no longer accuse the brethren.

[streetsinger]

Originally Posted by Jay Dub

Richard

Where do you see the fulfillment of the prophesey in the garden

Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel

If this happened at the cross do you think that Satan still had access to heaven after the cross?

Jesus overcame Satan at the cross and gained authority over him. Christ in us is our authority over him. We now have to exert that authority and grow. Paul tells us that our war is not against flesh and blood but against powers in the heavenly realm, this teaching came post crucifiction. There is, however, a study on different heavens, Paul for instance was taken up into the third heaven. So it could be debated which, if any, heaven Satan has lost access to. The fact that we are not citizens of Satan's world leads to the question; does Satan have any jurisdiction over the saints? If he can only apply limited trials that we are able to withstand, then it stands to reason that there has to be limitations placed upon him from the throne of God, could that be classed as access?

[Jay Dub]

Revelation 12:9-10 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Here is where I get confused
Now is come salvation, when did salvation come, was it not at the cross?

and strength, When did we receive strength?

Streetsinger said

Christ in us is our authority over him. We now have to exert that authority and grow

These things happened at the cross, right

If our sin are forgiven never to be remembered, how can Satan accuse us.
He has nothing left, all we have done and will do has been forgiven. What can he accuse us of, that God won't say, price paid, forgiven

[streetsinger]

Originally Posted by Jay Dub

Revelation 12:9-10 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Here is where I get confused
Now is come salvation, when did salvation come, was it not at the cross?

and strength, When did we receive strength?

Streetsinger said

These things happened at the cross, right

If our sin are forgiven never to be remembered, how can Satan accuse us.
He has nothing left, all we have done and will do has been forgiven. What can he accuse us of, that God won't say, price paid, forgiven

The Epistles of Paul were written after the crucifiction, If your right Jay Dub; Why Ephesians?

[Jay Dub]

The Epistles of Paul were written after the crucifiction, If your right Jay Dub; Why Ephesians?

Streetsinger I am not saying i am right, I just don't understand why Rev 12 says

Revelation 12:9-10 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Why does the verse say now salvation has come? To me this is pointing to the cross
I also don't see how Satan can still be accusing us before the Lord. We are new creations our sins have been blotted out
As far as Eph I am not sure which verses you mean

Eph 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high

To answer your question, I don't know. Satan is Spirit in that sense isn't he in a heavenly realm, I really don't know and why I said It confused me.

So lets look at the prophecy in Genesis. We have Satan brusing the heal of the offspring (Messiah) of the woman (this happened at the cross) and the offspring crushing the head of Satan (this happens after the millennium). Yet we see today that Satans head has not been crushed (finally destroyed in the Lake of fire). That does not come until Jesus return and the end of the millennial kingdom on earth. Then the head of Satan will be crushed (destroyed).

The bruise on the heal of Jesus Happens from crushing the head of the serpent. The bruise is from the crushing blow. I am not sure it correct to separating them into two events

[smellycat]

lets hope its soon,hes twisted everthing to gain power.hes boring me to death.

[dan p]

Originally Posted by Jay Dub

Streetsinger I am not saying i am right, I just don't understand why Rev 12 says

Revelation 12:9-10 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Why does the verse say now salvation has come? To me this is pointing to the cross
I also don't see how Satan can still be accusing us before the Lord. We are new creations our sins have been blotted out
As far as Eph I am not sure which verses you mean

Eph 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high

To answer your question, I don't know. Satan is Spirit in that sense isn't he in a heavenly realm, I really don't know and why I said It confused me.




The bruise on the heal of Jesus Happens from crushing the head of the serpent. The bruise is from the crushing blow. I am not sure it correct to separating them into two events

Hi JayDub , and I see it this way .

#1 , the word salvation does not always means to be saved FROM SIN.

#2 , in this instant , it means phyical deliverance .

#3 , This the end of the tribulation period and there are no Christians here !

#4 , We are " in Christ " and who can lay any charge to God's elect ? 1 Cor 8:33

#5 , Satan is accusing the Jews and NOT Christians !!!

#6 , In 2 Peter , satan is called and ADVERSARY , which means " AN OPPONENT IN A LAW SUIT " , check Vine's .

#7 , How can he accuse them day and night , when there is no night in heaven ???

#8 , Satan has to be accusing them from here in the 3 heaven . And by the way , Christ in this verse means the Messiah .

#9, There is more I believe , but I have to go .

[Spiritofprophecy]

[QUOTE=Jay Dub;97539]Revelation 12:9-10 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.



Greetings in the name of Jesus:

Debating if I should comment as to Satan, Dragon, and Devil. Since it is such a controversial subject, rooted in Denominational concepts.

But the Ground work in this thread was already laid for a foundation of truth to be seen, and open minds rooted in the word alone might be enlightened...

God hides his truths, that only men of faith in humility to God's words, may find it...!!!

God only defeats and cast down Satan One Time...of which the Revelations; 12 parable, and then clear statement, " Now has come Salvation".. This is a sure key to discernment of this prophesy.. Satan and his angels,, and people against Jesus who crucified him; are one and the same story... One parable, one straight truth...Again...God defeats Satan only One time,,, by many names... Jesus, God, and Michael; But it is the same defeat and victory.

God, Jesus, and now Michael cast down or out Satan from heaven, by defeating Satan's power in heaven to condemn man for sin. Faith in Jesus blood, which is God's blood, trumps the condemnation, thereby denying Satan's power, which is termed as being " Cast out of heaven"..

The term " we battle not with flesh and blood " but with heavenly powers.. is a middle ages Catholic redaction of the verses, to justify a polytheistic concept of Satanic possessions being of another God or Demi God named Satan... The Catch phrase here is " We battle not with flesh and blood, but with powers and principalities in Spiritual places." It's you and me who battle.

We in this verse is everyone of faith in God...Which we all battle against Sin in our hearts and minds, as Paul teaches about the " Old man" opposed to the " New creature" of God...The Powers and Places that man battles Satan is in his own mind and hearts desires..For all temptation is " Common unto man" temptations...The pantheon of demonic possession beings, a polytheistic concept out of the middle ages; is why that Christians are termed the " Grafted" and " Wild Grapes"..As God termed " I have polluted mine inheritance"... Knowledge of Satan, Is Knowledge of the " Seat of Satan"

Equal stumbling blocks for all people...Jews as to Jesus,, Christians as to Satan..Not knowing the " Seat of Satan" as to this world.. Being totally deceived as to Satan's persona... being rooted in polytheistic multiple powers in Spirits,, when there is Only One God, and One power which is God..Monotheism...!!! There is Satan, which is mans evil, and rejection of God, which is termed as Darkness, and God as the Light. Satan does not force men into evil, which evil is not common unto man's own desires, for all sin and evil is out of " Common unto man" sin desires; not some, but all...!!!...

I pray I have not confused the issue further...And pray my words shall not offend; God bless all Christians in forum, and all who use it.

[smellycat]

satan does not force man into evil.?maybe but he surrounds man with it.and man does fall.

when i was younger i used to tell people to stop porn,then fell into the trap.

how do you say it,if you rub shoulders with corruption,you get corrupted.

although satan doesn,t make us,he can and does make the fallen.