Satan being cast to the earth from the Revelation Study

[Spiritofprophecy]

satan does not force man into evil.?maybe but he surrounds man with it.and man does fall.

when i was younger i used to tell people to stop porn,then fell into the trap.

how do you say it,if you rub shoulders with corruption,you get corrupted.

although satan doesn,t make us,he can and does make the fallen.

Greetings in the name of Jesus:


The concept that Satan is separate from man, is the Polytheistic pagan middle ages concept by Christian denominations, which makes Christian theology the " pollution of Gods Inheritance"...!!

True Doctrine, is when we apply scriptures as written, in a " Line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little there a little " form of discernment...
Since God is Omnipotent, and " No other Gods"..!!! Which includes demi Gods...! Eliminates a Satan, of Godly fallen from heaven power... Add to this, Scripture, that Original Sin came into the world by One man, and defeated for all Time by one man...(Adam and Jesus). which eliminates a Satan existing before man. AS Job states that Satan came with man.
The concept of Middle ages Christians doctrines that Lucifer is a Fallen heavenly Angel, contradicts many established sure doctrines ( Gods will is done in heaven), which cannot happen; which also contradicts the established and " made straight" concepts and doctrines of Prophets, disciples and Jesus about Satan and his seat...!! Leading to what Peter feared, which is a Polytheistic Pagan discernment of Scriptures by "Grafted, wild grapes" Christians...

Let me not equivocate as to Gods truths; and clearly state that God is Omnipotent, and nothing is outside of Gods power and Authority, except,,,, except " Mans disobedience".. Only man is separated from Gods will, through disobedience, which began with Adams and Eve's disobedience. And the term Satan, is interpreted by Jews, as " Spirit of disobedience". Which all men are tempted by " Old man" and fleshly desires in opposition to Gods words and will. It's all about us, and our faith and actions, not a Pantheon of demons in heaven..!! Which doesn't exist..Only man and his disobedience unto God exist outside from God.
The Pagan concept that Satan is a Demi God of Power... is really fantasy which most Christians disavow in reality, yet allows this deception it's reality...Is Insomnia a demonic possession not a human problem, cured by medicine... Is a Rapist or pedophile evil, a demonic entity possession; and not a " common temptation" spirit of man...? Does anyone accept, that a Pedophile who renounces and repents, claiming " Satan made me do it"... and is exorcised of Satan, claimed by an Exorcist; Now this pedophile is guiltless...? Men can repent their evil, but it's their evil, not a Demi God possession...!!!.. Satan is the " Spirit of Disobedience" desire of men. fact.
Sin is the Evil, which all this evil, is the Common temptations of men...1Corrinthians 10:13. lest the Bible lies...Satan cannot make Mother Teresa commit murder....Only individuals indulging their common temptations of flesh, can then be termed as Satanic possession... which is Possession by our own lusts of flesh, in disobedience unto Gods will...which is the" Spirit of Disobedience"...This is the Jewish concept of Satan, which Jesus Knew well and did not change or contradict in truth... which Polytheistic " Dante's inferno doctrines of Middle ages did then contradict in theory and interpretation, and its false...As written in Isaiah 29...they have " turned things upside down"...following the "precepts of men".

I pray my words do not offend, God bless all Christians in forum, and all those who use it.

[smellycat]

satan is real.and this is a spirit war.satan can enter people at will who are unsaved.i,m sorry you don,t understand this.

[Galaen]

And God is greater and more powerful than satan - always has been and always will be

[smellycat]

nobody is saying diffrent galean.?

[Galaen]

Never harms to put it in big letters and in 'royal' purple Cat

[Bloodbought]

Hi SPirit of Prophecy.
If I understand what you are saying correctly it is that Satan is only the Spirit of Disobedience found in man and is not a "person" or identifiable being.

If that is what you are saying then who tempted Jesus and promised him the kingdoms of the world if he would bow down and worship him?

[Jay Dub]

Bloodbought, I was thinking the same thing, and also Job 1

Job 1:8 Then the Lord said to Satan, "Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil."

and

2Cr 12:7 To keep me from becoming conceited because of these surpassingly great revelations, there was given me a thorn in my flesh, a messenger of Satan, to torment me.

[Spiritofprophecy]

Hi SPirit of Prophecy.
If I understand what you are saying correctly it is that Satan is only the Spirit of Disobedience found in man and is not a "person" or identifiable being.

If that is what you are saying then who tempted Jesus and promised him the kingdoms of the world if he would bow down and worship him?

Greetings in the name of Jesus:

Dear Bloodbought:

One needs to be careful how they quantify Satan.. The Absolute truth, given in Scriptures, is that Satan and sin, did not exist before man or Adam...Which is pretty clearly spoken of in Job and in Romans 5...
To give a foundation on Satan, as usual in Gods scripture truth is best; one should point to actual scriptures in context. As the only named Satan person, is Peter; called this by Jesus himself. Which Jesus words are the perfect teaching tools on this subject.
Peter opposed Gods will, in Jesus dying on the cross..! Stating he would stop and not allow this. Of Course Jesus as the Lamb of God, was designated as the perfect sacrifice for mankind for Sin. Saving us all, by his willing sacrifice for sin yet being sinless. Appointed from Earths foundation.
When Peter openly opposed the Jesus death sacrifice;... He there for opposed Gods will for mankind, which was for Jesus sacrifice to death. Jesus then turned to Peter telling him to " Get thee behind me Satan". Jesus then quantified why, and what action of men made Peter Satan.... Jesus said. " thou savoriest the things of man above the things of God....!! Making Peter Satan, for directly opposing God's will...
Satan fell from heaven, or his power to accuse man in the ear of God from the cross.. Which is our evil which remains with man, absent faith in Jesus. Satan interprets, as the " Accuser".. Which is our sin condemning us in Gods ear. Satan's person... is termed the " Spirit of Disobedience" as to Gods will opposed to other or mans will.
As to original question...Satan as an "Person" or " identifiable being" ..! Lets entertain the notion that Satan is a person and Identifiable being..

Lets also accept as absolute truth, which it is.. That People do worship and or claim to worship Satan...A Person, who is an, "Identifiable being", able to "possess people" with power, which is then also "worshiped"; Would then without question make Satan there for a God, or Demi God in reality. Who tempted Jesus....All temptation is "common unto man" He tempted Jesus within himself, with food, drink, and power of the flesh as with us all.
Since a founding precept of God, is that there is " No other Gods"..Satan cannot then be a person identifiable with power, which people then worship. God does not, nor will God allow this. Which is other Gods.
God created all things Good and Evil... Isaiah 45:7...God is in control of all things except One thing; "Mans disobedience", which began with Adam and Eve. Satan is of mans disobedience, which we all have to an degree self desire and disobedience, termed Light and Darkness. Here are the absolute Scriptures which fit only this truth.... " The root of all evil, is the love of Money" Which only man can use and love money..Satan if not of man, could not then love it. Also, all temptation is " Common unto man" which is what temptation we all have. None are without sin. Yet true Christians are sinless through faith in Jesus.
Satan is more dangerous than people really know; he tempts and effects all people daily, the father of all liars, with self desires as its power; represented by money, as his tool which all men love to a degree.... "Man cannot worship two Gods, God and Mammon" which mammon is Greek for money...
The three thousand year established truth of Satan; is he has absolutely no power, except that power given unto Satan by man. Satan as a being, Identifiable, is something, that the all powerful God does not allow.
Heavenly Angels do not fall from heaven, since " Gods will " is done there.... Men can fall from heaven, being Saved Christians with the Kingdom within, can then deny Jesus and fall from heaven... as " How hath thou fallen from heaven O Lucifer" which Lucifer is a Man Isaiah 14:16. and King of last day Babylon; which is a Christian falling from Christian heaven within being once saved " Lucifer is a Christian" who renounces his first estate.

I am sure many will not comprehend this three thousand year established concept about Satan, which is what Jesus and disciples did accept as truth in Monotheism. A Multi God polytheistic concept of the heavens with Satan as a demi God is the Christian interpretation from middle ages; which contradicts Monotheism, which monotheism is an absolute precept truth of scriptures. Jews will never accept polytheism, nor will Jesus..Jesus is either God or not God. I say God. Satan is mans "disobedience to God" in mans spirit. Which only man is allowed this disobedience, and man also created by God. These truths are born out in Scriptures, even more in the New Testament.

I pray my words do or will not offend any one, May God bless all Christians in forum, and all those who use it.

[Jay Dub]

That People do worship and or claim to worship Satan...A Person, who is an, "Identifiable being", able to "possess people" with power, which is then also "worshiped"; Would then without question make Satan there for a God, or Demi God in reality.

Foolish men worship anything, there are some who worship the moon and others who worship the sun men worship cows and even cows mad out of wood or stone, it does not make them Gods, we see in the scriptures that men have been possessed

He shouted at the top of his voice, "What do you want with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? Swear to God that you won't torture me!"
Mar 5:8 For Jesus had said to him, "Come out of this man, you evil spirit!"

The fact that there are evil spirits and the fact that some men are willing to make them their god, does not make them God

[Spiritofprophecy]

Greetings in the name of Jesus:

As usual, I do not express myself well, and do justice to the Scriptures..And my margins and indents, seem not to remain making sentence structure look even worse. I apologize for my human failures in expression.

And it is absolutely true, as Jay Dub so states that " men worship anything".. That does seem very true...

Let me try to explain in a different perspective. In total Monotheism or One God omnipotent concept; every thing is controlled or is totally of the One Gods will, except for one thing; and that One thing is Mans disobedience. And where the Sin entered into the world through one man, and defeated for all time by one man. Adam and Jesus. All evil must originate from mans separation from God, which is the only place there is evil, and separation from God.

Non Jews need to reject the "Gentile heritage" of multiple Gods and forces not of God. In a Monotheistic concept of an All powerful God. There is no other Gods or Demi Gods. This is why Peter opposed Gentile believers, for their inability to be Monotheists opposed to polytheists (Many powers) in faith.

As to question.."come out of this man, you evil Spirit" What was this spirit..?
According to 1 Corinthians 10:13... this was "Common unto man" temptation, which there is " no other". So was this spirit, a Spirit of fleshly temptations spirits " Drunkenness, Pedophilia and or all manifestations of the flesh. This goes into the Teaching of Paul about the " Old man" or the Old ways of men related to the New creature. No where is there teachings about Non common temptations possessing people except in parable form, which deceived many not rooted in Monotheism form belief....God would not allow spirits of Demi Gods to influence people...God puts no more upon people, then people can handle..Again 1 Corinthians 10:13..

This concept that God allows spirits outside of mans common desires to influence and possess people; goes against scriptures...No one would accept as being innocent; a pedophile raping their child, then claiming exorcism of their demon, claiming "Satan did it" not them. Any one can renounce addictions, yet not meaning they were not culpable in any crime from their addiction or possession.

The passages about Satan tempting Jesus in wilderness, and Adam and eve and the Snake in the Garden; are parable truths, designed to deceive those not rooted in Jewish theology and Jesus as Messiah, Which Messiah means God with man. All temptations even Jesus and Eve's were of their inner flesh speaking its desires...As Peter who loved Jesus, sought not Jesus to sacrifice, which desire was Peters desire opposed to God's will making Peter Satan...Being disobedient to Gods will. Jesus asked " cup to pass" showing his flesh and will therein; yet did Gods will, to submit and die...

Most Christians cannot receive these truths of Monotheism, one God. Nor can they discern Isaiah 29... of Two groups receiving the Bible or Word...One the Learned the Other the Unlearned... Jews and Christians..

Christians being the Unlearned of God, which is the Word; when they learn only the Doctrines of 200-300 different interpretations...Jews Learn only the word verbatim, Knowing not its complete meaning, believing it is sealed.

Every thing written is of Gods perfect truth, for all to receive if of faith and humility enough to hear and receive.

I apologize for my long posts, and lack of clarity. For if Satan is a Person, Identifiable; then God is not Omnipotent, or the Only God..Satan would be a demi God, which cannot be. And is why all temptations are " Common unto man" as was Jesus By Satan, and Eve by the snake in parables..

I pray my words do not offend, God bless all Christians in forum, and all who use it...