Satan being cast to the earth from the Revelation Study

[Lily]

the jews never saved your life,Jesus did.

if you say Jesus is a jew you would be wrong.

noah was not a jew.abraham was not a jew.


you follow the Lord not the crowd that,does or doesn,t follow him.


Gods followers are by faith not name.

I have mentioned derailing, very nicely, 4 times now. I won't be asking nicely again.

[smellycat]

i have opened another,sorry folks.

[Bloodbought]

DearGalaen

I agree Bloodbought, however I do question that satan makes us disobey God. I think he tempts us to disobey God but we always retain the option and it is up to us as to whether we give in to temptation.

I did not intend to infer that Satan forces us to disobey. He influences our decicions but YES we make the decision of our own will and have to accept responsibility for them.

Dear SPirit of Prophecy

My original point was:-
God created Adam and Eve. They were the only members of the human race. While they were in the Garden Before they had any children Stan was there in the form of the Serpent. How then could Satan be a man?

As an angel he could take a different form and appear as the serpent.

Hope that is clear.

[Spiritofprophecy]

Greetings in the name of Jesus:

Dear Bloodbought and Mr.OH:

If I may hold my response to questions for another thread; abiding in wishes of Moderators, to refrain from straying off thread, since I have been the cause and reason, which I will seek to end. But as to questions, I shall attempt to answer in another thread.

In an attempt to respond unto the Original post, addressing only the question about Jesus defeating Satan on the Cross, which is the Only defeat of Satan which cast out/Cast down to earth, removing his power in heaven.

The first part of OP. I refrained, since my interpretation is a simple Judaic perception. But I shall give the simple interpretation.

Genesis 3:15. Speaks about the relationship between woman and Satan/man..The simple Judaic interpretations is enmity between Man and Woman..."It shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel"... Or He shall crush thy head, and you shall bite his heal.

The Judaic interpretation, with "only', only Man and God existing in the Garden..

He (Man) Shall crush ("bruise") your head; (Man shall dominate and control women) in a Patriarchal society..!! and thou shall bruise his heal (bite his heal ). A symbolic phrase, how women motivate and move men.

In Judaic symbolism...Bruise thy heal, is to control the footsteps.. in English concepts...Bite thy heal, is a term for directing ones path guiding also direction.. it is a simple answer, yet through history, as to relationship of men and women; it has an absolute truth in perspective.

...... Again I apologize to Moderators for being the cause and reason for many off thread posts, with my off thread responses..

I suggest all off thread posters be redirected unto "Jewish significance".. I believe in " Bible Study " section...!

Let my welcome and apologize to Mr.Oh to forum, and that I meant no offense in my posts; seeking to enlighten only as to other established doctrine truths (Judaic) as to Genesis. Please continue to have interest post in respect, that we may find Gods truth in Spiritual cooperation.

I pray my words will not offend, God bless all Christians in forum, and all those who use it.

[Bloodbought]

Dear Spirit of Prophecy
You seem to put a great trust in Judaic Interpretation

Genesis 3:15. Speaks about the relationship between woman and Satan/man..The simple Judaic interpretations is enmity between Man and Woman..."It shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel"... Or He shall crush thy head, and you shall bite his heal.

Please check out the following BIBLICAL references

Joh 13:18 "I am not referring to all of you; I know those I have chosen. But this is to fulfil the scripture: ‘He who shares my bread has lifted up his heel against me.’
Joh 13:27 As soon as Judas took the bread, Satan entered into him. "What you are about to do, do quickly," Jesus told him,

Ro 16:20 The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet.

If Jesus said that Satan, who entered in to Judas, would "bruise his heel", then who are we to say that Jesus was wrong. The statement ref the garden of Eden is clearly about Jesus Christ and Satan.

[Spiritofprophecy]

Greetings in the name of Jesus:

........I am sorry for the delay in responding to the previous post; for at first, in fear of straying again off thread, I thought not to respond and stray. Yet, I believe after prayer: It is on Thread..!! about the verse terms. " Lifted up his heel", as to " bruise his heel". This is related to the OP post, thread topic.....! I apologize if Moderators feel it strays too much.

........In Judaic understanding and Middle eastern concepts, " feet " are used in many forms, and different in perception then in Western conceptual terms. An Arab man took off his shoe and threw it at G.W. Bush in Iraq; Which would have been a " Death Sentence" action if done in previous regime... Which (shoe/heel) is a great insult in middle eastern culture; To even show someone the bottom of your shoe, is taken as a clear insult.

......The term used in St.John 13:18. of " lifted up his heel against me" has a clear meaning (in middle eastern mentality) to rebel against, or be separated and or conflict with...: Which in truth, is what Judas did do; become in conflict with Jesus, wanting the Jewish Judaic Messiah concept to be fulfilled of Jesus, of an all powerful Messiah to destroy the enemies of Israel. So Judas thought to " force Jesus hand" to destroy the Romans and their Judaic temple priest supporters. A "common" of flesh temptation of Judas.

So by Satan entering into Judas..Which temptations must be of " Common unto man" temptation..1 Corinthians 10:13. Meaning it was evil of Judas; as to the desires of Judas; which desires opposed Gods will. But it was really Gods will, that Judas betray Jesus. Referencing Jesus comment about Judas when first meeting him, Knew Judas would betray him. Yet, Jesus died for the sins of Judas also...Knowing his betrayal, yet accepting his fate..

Genesis 3:15. term used of " bruise his heel"; is a totally different term then " Lifted up his heel" One is about direction of life" bruise thy heel",; and the other about disobeying and rebellion against Jesus; " lifted up his heel"...If you know that symbolism parable verses are used, to give context truth, into the subject spoken unto; then Genesis 3:15. Can be interpreted as speaking to the Man/Woman relationship. which Genesis 3:15-19. Is about Man and Woman.
......."God is not the author of confusion". Monotheistic Jews have been and still interpret these " Judaic, Jewish verses the same from Moses times"..! And how they interpret, and construct these verses, which Prophets did confirm through time these truths; should be at least understood from how and what concept the Jewish people, do interpret Satan's persona. Which Jesus did not correct or Change, only middle ages westerns did change it, to a polytheistic concept.

Just because Jews are blinded as to the True Messiah purpose and persona: which saved Christians, and was the "Gods plan". Does not mean, Gods words are not perfect, but only, that Mans interpretations are in error...

And again when Today's multitudes of " Precept of man" Christian denominations and interpretations are seen in their true context; Then Christians can be seen to embellish and interpret Scriptures in vanity of self desire. As the multitude of denominations all diverse in vision, do prove. We are the " Unlearned" , " Blind leading the Blind". Only saved by Grace..Thank God for Gods Grace.

Again let me remind forum Christians; that all New testament verses, are written in the same Jewish/Judaic concepts and style by Jews; as it is written in the Old Testament verses; with all reference being consistent in style from Old to New; and all being One book which Book is the "vision of all".. Or the "Word is God"...Is the New and Old testaments, two Gods, or One God..? Since God is the word.

I pray my words do not offend, God bless all Christians in forum, and all those who use it.

[ProphecyKid]

Richard

Where do you see the fulfillment of the prophesey in the garden

Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel

If this happened at the cross do you think that Satan still had access to heaven after the cross?

I know this is extremely late and I didn't read through the thread, but I do believe this took place at the cross and the devil no longer has any access to heaven since the cross event.