The Holy Spirit Cannot Be In the Worship Place

[Pariah]

That is the whole line of discernment drawn in the sand of the Book of 1 John

The Holy Spirit cannot be in the worship place in regards to the Gospel for He is in us as promised for coming to and believing in Jesus Christ.

1 John 4:2 is the same thing as saying 2 Corinthians 13:5

1 John 4:3 is the same thing as saying Matthew 24:23-26

The line of discernment is drawn in the sand here: 1 John 4:4

The call to not believe every spirit but test them: 1 John 4:1 is in relation to what was said prior regarding the Holy Spirit: 1 John 3:22-24

In the same book, we see in 1 John 2:18-29 of the contrast of denying the Son is by denying He is in us because they reiterated the belief that would oppose such a teaching by this calling to hold fast what was taught.

1 John 2:22-23 is in reference to this truth of the Gospel in John 14:20-21 & John 14:23

Those that are referenced as seducing us of 1 John 2:25 are from here 1 Timothy 4:1-2

Again, the reminder of our faith is 2 Corinthians 13:5 and the reiteration of the truth: 1 John 2:27 is to oppose all such calling forth the Holy Spirit.

This warning not to depart from faith unto another gospel, another Jesus, or another spirit to receive which ye have not received... is what prevents a believer from being a chaste bride in Christ: 2 Corinthians 11:1-4 1 John 2:28-29

Anyone that doubts if they had the Holy Spirit, remember this promise by Jesus in how we had received: Galatians 3:14 Hebrews 11:1 Hebrews 11:6 Ephesians 1:11-15 Galatians 3:26

The fact that you believe... you are saved: John 3:14-18

So anyone trying to sow doubts and imply more work and effort on your part is needed for what God has promised to be received by faith in Jesus Christ are just trying to seduce you away from your resting place in Christ Jesus. Just hold onto that faith and your first love which ye had heard and received from the beginning.

Hebrews 4:1-11

Those that have not and have gone to the wayside and are now perplexed and confused: go to Jesus for help to return to yoru first love: Hebrews 4:12-16 and He will help you depart from iniquity to be a witness of Him in seeking His glory and not serve anything else in His name for the Holy Spirit does not seek to be glorified, but to glorify the Son: John 16:13-14

Why? Philippians 2:5-11 That is the mind of every believer in having communion of the Holy Spirit: John 15:26-27 John 5:22-23 1 Corinthians 2:2 John 13:31-32 John 17:1-5

[Pariah]

The only way anyone can know the Holy Spirit personally is just by Him dwelling in you.

John 14:16-17

That is all you will know about the Holy Spirit personally. To seek to feel Him in the worship place is contrary to the Word of God in how we test the spirits which are signified as being in the world. 1 John 4:4

[Pariah]

If mediums can call forth other spirits into a place, and American Indians can call forth the Great Spirit where they had experience a sense of drunkenness....

....is it really that much of a mystery as to why God the Father provided only one way to relate to Him and that is through the Son so as to stand apart from the world and call those in the world out to Himself personally through the Son?

[canny]

If mediums can call forth other spirits into a place, and American Indians can call forth the Great Spirit where they had experience a sense of drunkenness....

....is it really that much of a mystery as to why God the Father provided only one way to relate to Him and that is through the Son so as to stand apart from the world and call those in the world out to Himself personally through the Son?

Good point, I have not looked at it from that angle before.

[Pariah]

I thank the Lord for causing the increase.

[Pariah]

Here's hoping the Lord will enable others to see as well.

[canny]

Here's hoping the Lord will enable others to see as well.

an good analogy is often very useful to me, does help me get my head round things.

[Pariah]

an good analogy is often very useful to me, does help me get my head round things.

As the Lord is ministering, I still do not claim credit for your understanding of this simple truth so that is why I still thank the Lord for causing the increase.

[Richard_1]

Pariah wrote

You are not asking the Lord to understand why He is having me share this with you. Only He can help you see the error in taking our eyes off of Jesus in worship.

But I have never taken my eyes off of Jesus. In my worship it includes a communion with the Father, a communion with Jesus, and a communion with the Holy Spirit. Jesus said He would send another parakletos (comforter). Jesus was the first parakletos (comforter) and then He said He would send another parakletos of the same kind. That other parakletos is the Holy Spirit and just as the first parakletos He is a person. The person of the Holy Spirit, from the Scriptures, has all the characteristics of personality and He is referred to with the personal pronouns. Thus He is not an it. He is not an essence. He is not just a force, but He is the person of the Holy Spirit.

Several times you have alluded to the fact that mediums and american indians call on spirits and make it a statement that if we call on the Holy Spirit that we would be deceived and that we would become destroyed by this. Why is it that your concept of the Gospel and the Holy Spirit is one that induces fear. Have you not read this

2 Timothy 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

The Holy Spirit in my life testifies that Jesus is the Christ and He came in the flesh.

Yet on every post about the Holy Spirit you introduce fear. I wonder about the doctrinal influences you have had. Your concept of the trinity is quite limited and you can see that in this statement

Pariah wrote
What you seemed to miss is that you are exalting the name of the Trinity above the name of Jesus Christ.

The name of the Trinity is God and we are commanded to exalt and to worship the Lord God. You can not separate the Holy Spirit from the Lord God because He is as much God as Jesus or the Father. So then all worship of God will include the Holy Spirit because the Holy Spirit is God. Do you not worship God? If so then you are worshipping the Holy Spirit also. In the Gospel of Matthew 28:19 we are given this command

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

You can see the scripture giving equal respect to each of the persons of the Trinity and the name of that Trinity is the Lord God.

[canny]

As the Lord is ministering, I still do not claim credit for your understanding of this simple truth so that is why I still thank the Lord for causing the increase.

I am not sure what you mean, I understand your reference that the Holy Spirit is not in any particular place. ie. " In the Worship Place "

But. If I go to that place along with many others and the Holy Spirit is in me, then does He not come with me. ?