The Holy Spirit Cannot Be In the Worship Place

[Pariah]

I have never stated that the Holy Spirit needed to be called on.

Yeah... you did here from post #9 again.

Several times you have alluded to the fact that mediums and american indians call on spirits and make it a statement that if we call on the Holy Spirit that we would be deceived and that we would become destroyed by this. Why is it that your concept of the Gospel and the Holy Spirit is one that induces fear.

Your opposition to what I am stating says what?

What I have said is that because the Holy Spirit is God that I have a reverence and worship for Him. By the way worship (shachah in Hebrew---to bow down, bow a knee to) (proskyneō in Greek--- to kiss the hand to (towards) one, in token of reverence) which the scriptures tell us to do to God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit). This seems to be a point you miss.

Bow down to.. bow a knee to... Philippians 2:5-11 Scriptures declares only one name is being done towards in regards to that worship of the glory of God.

If you put the Holy Spirit in the worship place, then what a delightful invitation for any spirit in the world to masquerade as the Holy Spirit. You are forgetting that line of discernment given in not believing every spirit.

So then are you saying that the Holy Spirit is limited in where He can be. Have you not read what the Holy Spirit does. Because the Holy Spirit is God then the Holy Spirit has no limitations because He is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent. So the Holy Spirit is not limited in where He can be unless you believe God is not omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent. Your statements seem to be an effort to limit the work of the Holy Spirit of God.

That ole' excuse: you cannot put God in a box... is old. Jesus said where the Holy Spirit will dwell in how we would know Him personally and that is by Him being in us. John 14:16-17 You cannot know what spirit that is when it is felt in the worship place.

If the Holy Spirit will not speak of himself, then these manifestations in the worship place are doing what the spirits of the anti-christ would seek to do.. take the assembly's eyes off of Jesus to itself as in "instead of Christ".

And this statement is clearly teaching a Gospel of fear. The Holy Spirit that dwells in me is omnipotent, omniscient ,and omnipresent. The Holy Spirit of God is my strength and my teacher and will always lead me into the truth. I have no fear of the spirits in this world because greater is He that is in me than he that is in the world. You seem to teach that we should fear these spirits.

You cannot worship the Holy Spirit when He is in you ( how are you going to bend a knee to the Holy Spirit being in you?) and the Holy Spirit seeks to glorify Christ Jesus... so when you give place and honour to the Holy Spirit in the worship place, you are suffering a theif to break through.

If you do not respect John 14:6, then you are broadening the "Way" by allowing a thief to break through as it has been prophesied to occur: 1 Timothy 4:1-2

Narrow the way back to the straight gate: Luke 13:24 as Jesus is the only door ( John 10:7-9 ) to enter in having that reconciled relationship with God the Father: Jesus is the door that believers are still instructed to strive towards to avoid false spirits and false prophets AND THAT is why there are no invitations to the Holy Spirit because He has been received by us as promised by Jesus Christ so that all eyes are on our first love: the Bridegroom.

[iamowen]

Brother and sisters ! I feel that we need to stand back and take a breath of fresh air ! Altough answeres are given and Scriptures are quoted, I feel that the true Spirit of Christ is lacking ! We are to build one another up in the most Holy faith and not to tare down. If we must dissagree at least have the decency and love to do so in a loving and gentle way, prefering others before ourselves. This is not a place to strut our feathers and try to show off that we know best and are superiour to others ! For in so doing you display that you know not Christ or love HIS way but are in fact living and posting contrary to HIS requirements to live at peace with all men !
This is not intended to be pointed or directed towards any one person but to all !
It is my heartfelt desire that these words ar headed and taken to heart, and that future posts will bear all of this in mind
Yours in Christ Owen

[Richard_1]

Pariah wrote

Yeah... you did here from post #9 again.

But you seem to miss the fact that I was not telling anyone to call on the Holy Spirit what I was doing was commenting on your post that said we were calling on a false spirit if we called on the Holy Spirit.


Then let us take a look at this you said

Pariah wrote
If you put the Holy Spirit in the worship place, then what a delightful invitation for any spirit in the world to masquerade as the Holy Spirit. You are forgetting that line of discernment given in not believing every spirit.

You cannot worship the Holy Spirit when He is in you ( how are you going to bend a knee to the Holy Spirit being in you?) and the Holy Spirit seeks to glorify Christ Jesus... so when you give place and honour to the Holy Spirit in the worship place, you are suffering a theif to break through.

Bending a knee is not just a physical thing it is done in the spirit and the scriptures do tell us that we must worship God in spirit and truth. So for worship to even take place the Holy Spirit must be present You also miss the fact that Jesus told us that the Holy Spirit would be along side with us, that He would dwell in us and that He would come upon us. You would limit the Holy Spirit to only being in us.

[Lily]

I'm with Richard on this one.

Scripture warns us about " other spirits " who can decieve. Surely, shouldn't we call upon the Holy Spirit to guide us in discerning His presence ?

[Pariah]

But you seem to miss the fact that I was not telling anyone to call on the Holy Spirit what I was doing was commenting on your post that said we were calling on a false spirit if we called on the Holy Spirit.

Not quite what I had said. Close.

If God doesn't want believers to be calling on name of the Holy Spirit, and yet when a believer does, God will permit another spirit to masquerade as the Holy Spirit in the worship place so that believers ignoring the commandment of John 14:6 will suffer a grand delusion for believing that which is not of the Gospel.

Then let us take a look at this you said

Bending a knee is not just a physical thing it is done in the spirit and the scriptures do tell us that we must worship God in spirit and truth. So for worship to even take place the Holy Spirit must be present You also miss the fact that Jesus told us that the Holy Spirit would be along side with us, that He would dwell in us and that He would come upon us. You would limit the Holy Spirit to only being in us.

Jesus limited the Holy Spirit for us to know by only being in us. John 14:16-17

You putting the Holy Spirit in the worship place or outside of you is ignoring the second part of the line of discernment of 1 John 4:3 and that is why it is emphasized in according to our faith in 2 Corinthians 13:5 of the truth of this line of discernment: 1 John 4:4

You cannot say that the Holy Spirit can be in us AND outside of us in the worship place for that would void the whole meaning of 1 John 4:4-6 for that line of discernment.

In other words... no one can say that what is being "felt" in the worship place is of the world if the Holy Spirit can be out there "doing" His thing too.

There goes that line of discernment, and the Way has been broadened for believers to climb up another way around Jesus via the "Holy Spirit" where no such invitation nor door has been designated as one for believers to take.

Indeed, for God to call and save those out of the occults and spiritual rudiments found already in the world before Christ came to that personal reconciled relationship with God the Father through Jesus Christ hence the Son... those saved cannot re-engage in practises they were formerly involved in because there are no guarantees nor promises nor scriptures that says that those that call upon the name of the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit will answer Himself.

The fact that believers point to one movement of the Spirit and say that is of God and then to another and say that is not of God and both were done by calling on the Holy Spirit... proves that something is way off because no good tree will produce an evil fruit.

God provided only one way to come to Him: John 14:6

That includes the way we worship and through prayer: John 10:1 John 10:7-9

This is why God is not glorified by glorifying the Holy Spirit. God the Father is glorified and honoured only through the Son: John 13:31-32 & John 5:22-23

That way, those God called out of the occults can be witnesses of the Good News found only in Jesus Christ apart from the deeds of the law and apart from other occult practises in the world for them to be witnesses of the Son.

[Pariah]

I'm with Richard on this one.

Scripture warns us about " other spirits " who can decieve. Surely, shouldn't we call upon the Holy Spirit to guide us in discerning His presence ?

Those that you were led by the Holy Spirit in you to take off from:

Did they call for the Holy Spirit to come? Why would they be doing animal noises if they called upon the name of the Holy Spirit?

Because that is not the way to approach God the Father: John 14:6

[Pariah]

Brother and sisters ! I feel that we need to stand back and take a breath of fresh air ! Altough answeres are given and Scriptures are quoted, I feel that the true Spirit of Christ is lacking ! We are to build one another up in the most Holy faith and not to tare down. If we must dissagree at least have the decency and love to do so in a loving and gentle way, prefering others before ourselves. This is not a place to strut our feathers and try to show off that we know best and are superiour to others ! For in so doing you display that you know not Christ or love HIS way but are in fact living and posting contrary to HIS requirements to live at peace with all men !
This is not intended to be pointed or directed towards any one person but to all !
It is my heartfelt desire that these words ar headed and taken to heart, and that future posts will bear all of this in mind
Yours in Christ Owen

Thanks Owen.

But do remember your signature as well.

Colossians 2:5For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ. 6As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: 7Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving. 8Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 9For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. 10And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

Sometimes those involved in practises will only see it as an attack on them when scriptures reproves it as not of the Gospel.

I only wish to restate the call that the only way to approach God the Father in prayer and worship is through the Son only. John 14:6

That is Whom the Holy Spirit in us is pointing us to as it is the name of Jesus we are to call upon to be saved, to address in prayer and by Him, the Father as well, and to honour and glorify the Son in worship as the Father is straightway honoured and glorified through the Son only. John 5:22-23 John 13:31-32 John 17:1-5 Philippians 2:5-11

[inquisitive]

You cannot say that the Holy Spirit can be in us AND outside of us in the worship place for that would void the whole meaning of 1 John 4:4-6 for that line of discernment.

In other words... no one can say that what is being "felt" in the worship place is of the world if the Holy Spirit can be out there "doing" His thing too.

I will ask here, again going back to a previous reply, God the Father God the Son and God the Holy Spirit, all make up the Godhead, the Trinity.

In this Godhead, God as a whole, God is omnipresent, so why can the Holy Spirit not be in us and outside of us, wherever i wont just limit that to the worship place?

I am wary at the level of what the Holy SPirit is being dismissed at here, as part of the Godhead, and equally at the level and zealousness as self described it is being pushed at. Everyone, that is each and every one of you, would do well to remember you have to have a teachable spirit, and not just be pushers of you know the Truth in its entirity, and everyone else is incorrect.

[Pariah]

I will ask here, again going back to a previous reply, God the Father God the Son and God the Holy Spirit, all make up the Godhead, the Trinity.

In this Godhead, God as a whole, God is omnipresent, so why can the Holy Spirit not be in us and outside of us, wherever i wont just limit that to the worship place?

I am wary at the level of what the Holy SPirit is being dismissed at here, as part of the Godhead, and equally at the level and zealousness as self described it is being pushed at.

Then feel free to answer these questions.

How can you tell the difference between the Holy Spirit being felt in the worship place from other spirits in the world? Use scriptures please.

Then explain why Jesus left out the Holy Spirit in these verses:

John 5:22-23 John 13:31-32 John 14:6 John 17:1-5 Philippians 2:5-11

[inquisitive]

Pariah if you dont want to or are able to answer the question i asked then that is fine just say so, but to defer me like that is a copout with all due respect. I never do see the tact of answering a question with a question a good one.

As stated before re scripture, people were told to go out and baptise in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

So again: In this Godhead, God as a whole, God is omnipresent, so why can the Holy Spirit not be in us and outside of us, wherever i wont just limit that to the worship place?