sets himself up in Gods temple??

[Jay Dub]

Originally Posted by Jay Dub

aYes I agree with that, but isn't odd then that it is called God's temple or did I miss your point. Will this third temple be pleasing to the Lord?I

I doubt it will be pleasing to the Lord since no more sacrifices for sins can be offered anymore to God in that way. Hebrews 10:26-31

OK then, why is this called Gods temple in this verse??

If the Jews have set up a sacrificial system, why would this temple be called Gods temple?

As for talk of the rapture, lets start a new thread, please.

[whirlwind]

Originally Posted by Jay Dub


OK then, why is this called Gods temple in this verse??

If the Jews have set up a sacrificial system, why would this temple be called Gods temple?

As for talk of the rapture, lets start a new thread, please.

2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto Him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.


My understanding of that passage is....the mystery of iniquity is ALREADY sitting "in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God." He is yet to be revealed but...he is here...we are surrounded by him/them. You see them standing at some pulpits, broadcasting on television, writing "holy" books, teaching in schools, rewriting translations of "new & improved" Bibles, teaching on forums....we are surrounded by iniquity.

We are the temple of God and bricks and mortar are being added to us each day. There will not be a literal third temple.

[ProphecyKid]

2Th 2:3 Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.

2Th 2:4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

I am having a little trouble with this verse and was looking for some help

If this is speaking of a physical temple, why would it be called Gods temple, since we are now his temple

2Cr 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in [them]; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Even if the Jews rebuild the temple would this be pleasing to our God or the ultimate rejection of the work of the cross and our Lord or is this verse some how symbolic

Any physical temple that is built now cannot be called God's temple. God's temple refers to his people. That scripture about the man of sin is completely misunderstood to mean that the Antichrist has to sit in a future Jewish temple which must be rebuilt. It does not add up.

There are things you must believe to arrive at this conclusion. You must believe the 70 weeks of Daniel are not complete and there is one week to go. You must believe that there has to be a pre-tribulation rapture of the church and God will then deal specifically with Israel. You must also believe that Israel is still God's chosen people. I don't believe any of that.

The 70 week prophecy has been already fulfilled. When see the Antichrist sitting in the temple of God, he is among the saints of God showing himself to be God. The AntiChrist must then be a professing Christian leader who will think to hold the position of God on earth. There is no pre-tribulation rapture. God's people now consists of all those who are in Christ. If any man be in Christ he is Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise.

Francisco Ribera - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[smellycat]

if they build a humanly made 3rd temple,they are saying Christ is illegitamate.and the devil which stands there humanly will say he is God.spiritually Christ made the 3rd temple,and we are told to follow him.
but the other side who follow the devil as Christ will build a 3rd temple and show there bod.

[Jay Dub]

Any physical temple that is built now cannot be called God's temple. God's temple refers to his people. That scripture about the man of sin is completely misunderstood to mean that the Antichrist has to sit in a future Jewish temple which must be rebuilt. It does not add up.

There are things you must believe to arrive at this conclusion. You must believe the 70 weeks of Daniel are not complete and there is one week to go. You must believe that there has to be a pre-tribulation rapture of the church and God will then deal specifically with Israel. You must also believe that Israel is still God's chosen people. I don't believe any of that.

The 70 week prophecy has been already fulfilled. When see the Antichrist sitting in the temple of God, he is among the saints of God showing himself to be God. The AntiChrist must then be a professing Christian leader who will think to hold the position of God on earth. There is no pre-tribulation rapture. God's people now consists of all those who are in Christ. If any man be in Christ he is Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise.

Francisco Ribera - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hi prophecy KId

I agree with most of what you are saying, but if you have time can you post or start a new thread on why you think the 70 weeks have been fulfilled. I am also unsure of the Antichrist being a professing Christian. I mean if a famous world leader was a professing Christian, why would we then see the persecution of the Church. I think the Antichrist will rise through the Muslim faith. I don't know how its worded but, I believe they are told to rid themselves of the unbelievers and they already have what Christians would call a false prophet. If this world leader came in through this faith, I could then see the persecution of the Church

[smellycat]

it,s all twisted.the devil follows God,but Christ tells us to follow him and ask God for the holy spirit.so the devil then follows the holy spirit as God.so he links the holy spirit as being God but never becomes Christian,ie never repents.but always says he follows God.never gets smitted,and always does the smitting.leave it to our Lord.he said he will return to sort it out.

[Shamu]

Amen smelly. Overall, it all "pans" out in the end. With all the endtimes eschatology discussions and different views, I'm finding the more I look at it, the more I don't know.. and finding it best to just say, "I dont know!" Amazing that, as it is one of the things that the Lord used to first draw me.

What is interesting though... is that there is an effort for another Temple to be rebuilt. The Temple Institute: About The Temple Institute

But then again, as Jay Dub asked above, its refered to as "God's" Temple. But then Prophecy Kid's reply blew me away...(his quote below) A man "claiming" or "professing" to be among the saints (whom are now His Temple), calling himself God. (That reminds me of a particular "seat" being held very high right now, sorry to say)

"When see the Antichrist sitting in the temple of God, he is among the saints of God showing himself to be God. The AntiChrist must then be a professing Christian leader who will think to hold the position of God on earth."

But what do I know? Its like his Word Says, we won't know until the "man of lawlessness is revealed" right?

[ProphecyKid]

Amen smelly. Overall, it all "pans" out in the end. With all the endtimes eschatology discussions and different views, I'm finding the more I look at it, the more I don't know.. and finding it best to just say, "I dont know!" Amazing that, as it is one of the things that the Lord used to first draw me.

What is interesting though... is that there is an effort for another Temple to be rebuilt. The Temple Institute: About The Temple Institute

But then again, as Jay Dub asked above, its refered to as "God's" Temple. But then Prophecy Kid's reply blew me away...(his quote below) A man "claiming" or "professing" to be among the saints (whom are now His Temple), calling himself God. (That reminds me of a particular "seat" being held very high right now, sorry to say)

But what do I know? Its like his Word Says, we won't know until the "man of lawlessness is revealed" right?

You might want to check this wikipedia link. Its not a long read.

Francisco Ribera - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I think the man of sin has already been revealed. But he will be revealed again.

[Shamu]

Thank you for the link.. I've tried to read it..but I'm rushing on my break and not understanding it all,, will have to check later.
May I please ask, who do you think it was? (and will be again?)

[ProphecyKid]

Thank you for the link.. I've tried to read it..but I'm rushing on my break and not understanding it all,, will have to check later.
May I please ask, who do you think it was? (and will be again?)

I believe just like the early reformers such as John Wesley believed that the Papal power is the Antichristian power.