The Jews

[smellycat]

they know follow Christ and not the jews monopoly of God.
they are distancing themselves from the heathens.

[DeaconDan]

Dear Deacon Dan ,you are not strictly correct ,because Judea was named after Judah , and Jesus sprang from out of Judah ( Hebrews 7:14)

Regardless, Christ is not identified as Jesus of Judea (or, Jesus the Judean/Jew) in the Gospels. He is repeatedly referred to as Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus selected his Apostles in Galilee, not Judea. The OP picks up on the Galileean vs. Judean attitude of the Apostles.

So even though He was born a galilean in the natural ,prophetically He is a Judaen ,

Actually, Jesus was born in Judea, when his mother returned for the census. Jesus was born of the line of Judah.

The term used in the OP is the religious Israel who were the representative Israel eg the sanhedrin ,the pharisees ,and saducees as opposed to the individual person

The Isreal of God is up of the followers of Christ. It is contrary that when Jesus is blasting "Jews" that he would be thinking of these people as belonging to Israel. Jesus also clearly indicated that Jews who rejected him did not count as children of Abraham.

[Bloodbought]

Surely the term "the jews" is a reference to the "establishment" of the day. Not a reference to the nation as a whole. Some of the people believed in Him. The jewish leaders (the establishment ) opposed Him.

[smellycat]

same today some jewish are very anti Christ,others not so.
this is the split Christ mentions.

[DeaconDan]

Surely the term "the jews" is a reference to the "establishment" of the day. Not a reference to the nation as a whole. Some of the people believed in Him. The jewish leaders (the establishment ) opposed Him.

The word in question means Judean, as in belonging to the Jewish nation. There is no meaning of leadership implied. In any nation, there also is not really much separation between people and their leaders, so it is a weak argument to try to distinguish leaders from the people.

[Onesiphorus]

so by your definition ,you are including Jesus in this derogotary term as I have quoted two refernces to Christ in my previous post one being hebrews7:14

[smellycat]

Christ came to split us,at the moment we have sheep following know it all satan,lmao.and not Christ.
father aggainst son,mother aggainst daughter,yada yada yada.
just because your in a group does not mean you shouldn,t change.
Jesus is the way and the life,your group is rubbish .

[smellycat]

we have many groups that try to show you the way,but none can be correct without Christ.
so whatever group you join to feel accepted in reality your rejected.
there is only 1 God.

[DeaconDan]

so by your definition ,you are including Jesus in this derogotary term as I have quoted two refernces to Christ in my previous post one being hebrews7:14

Your post is too vague for a response.

[Jay Dub]

I tend to lean toward onesi and bloodbought thinking but, Dan your view is interesting. Can you help me with this verse specifically

Jhn 9:22 These [words] spake his parents, because they feared the Jews: for the Jews had agreed already, that if any man did confess that he was Christ, he should be put out of the synagogue.

The parents feared the Jews, does this mean they feared all Judean's, would not these people also have been Judean, it does seem to me also that they feared the religious leaders