Mark 16:9

[rstrats]

A poster on another forum, the topic of which was questioning the authenticity of the last 12 verses in the book of Mark, wrote that it doesn’t really matter because there is no doctrinal teaching in Mark 16:9-20 that cannot be proved elsewhere in agreed Scripture.


I made the mistake of sticking my nose into the discussion by pointing out that actually there is a statement in verse 9, as the KJV and similar versions have it, that is used for a doctrinal teaching that is to be found nowhere else in Scripture. As the KJV translates it, it is the only place that puts the resurrection on the first day of the week. I then suggested that whenever the discussion of seventh day observance versus first day observance comes up, first day proponents usually use the idea of a first day resurrection to justify the change, and when questioned about the day of resurrection, quote Mark 16:9. The poster came back with: “Quote a published author who has done that.” - I have not yet been able to come up with one. Does anyone here know of one?

[Chuckt]

Dr. Davis Otis Fuller wrote a book called "Counterfeit or Genuine?" and I suggest you get it. There are really only two manuscripts that call into question these chapters as there are probably 600 manuscripts that have it. Vaticanus calls into question Matthew chapter 16 and Vaticanus is missing a lot of chapters and Vaticanus left space for it. Siniaticus was found in a trash heap where manuscripts were discarded and it is missing verses so to say that it isn't in the Bible is dishonest but Tiffendorf says it is changed in 15,000 places which is your most 'efficient and modern manuscript' that some of these so called scholars quote.

Church fathers quote from these missing chapters so there isn't a reason to not believe it wasn't there.


mms://media.ccphilly.org/Teaching/Audio/B41_Mark/SPM55224.mp3

[rstrats]

Chuckt,

Thanks for the comments. However, for the purpose of this topic, I am only interested in identifying an author who uses the idea of a first day resurrection to justify a first day observance, and quotes Mark 16:9 to support a first day resurrection.

[Chuckt]

You don't need Mark 16 to prove a first day resurrection.

[rstrats]

Chuckt,

re: "You don't need Mark 16 to prove a first day resurrection."

Mark 16:9 is the only scripture that places the resurretion on the first of the week.

[Chuckt]

”The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath” (Mark 2:27).
The point which Jesus made is that the Sabbath was not instituted to enslave people, but to benefit them.
according to Colossians 2:17, the Sabbath was “a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.”
The Sabbath observance was associated with redemption in Deuteronomy 5:15
The spirit of Sabbath observance is continued in the NT observance of rest and worship on the first day of the week.

New Testament believers are not under the OT Law (Rom. 6:14; Gal. 3:24-25).

the early church was given the pattern of Sunday worship by His resurrection on the first day of the week (Matt. 28:1)

His continued appearances on succeeding Sundays (John 20:26), and the descent of the Holy Spirit on Sunday (Acts 2:1)

the early church was given the pattern of Sunday worship. This they did regularly (Acts 20:7; 1 Cor. 16:2).

Sunday worship was further hallowed by our Lord who appeared to John in that last great vision on “the Lord’s Day” (Rev. 1:10).

It is for these reasons that Christians worship on Sunday, rather than on the Jewish Sabbath.

-Dr Norman Geisler. And put into chatroom format by Chuckt

Need any more help?

[rstrats]

Chuckt,

re: “the early church was given the pattern of Sunday worship by His resurrection on the first day of the week (Matt. 28:1)”

Matthew 28:1 doesn’t say when the resurrection took place. Only Mark 16:9 does.


re: “It is for these reasons that Christians worship on Sunday, rather than on the Jewish Sabbath.”


With all due respect, for the purpose of this topic, I am not looking for reasons for first day observance. I’m only interested in what I asked for in my OP.




I do think that I will remark on your following comments, though:


re: “His continued appearances on succeeding Sundays (John 20:26)...”

The eight days later mentioned in the verse would end up on the second day of the week and not the first.



re: “the early church was given the pattern of Sunday worship. This they did regularly (Acts 20:7; 1 Cor. 16:2).”

Actually, as far as the Bible is concerned, there are only two times mentioned with regard to anybody getting together on the first (day) of the week - John 20:19 and Acts 20:7. There is never any mention of them ever again being together on the first. The John reference has them together in a closed room after the crucifixion because they were afraid of their fellow Jews. Nothing is said about a celebration, worship service or day of rest. The Acts reference has them together because Paul happened to be in town and he wanted to talk to them before he had to leave again. The breaking of bread mentioned (even if it were referring to the Lord’s Supper) had nothing to do with placing a special emphasis on the first (day) because Acts 2:46 says that they broke bread every day.

As for 1 Corinthians 16:2, there is nothing in the verse that indicates a first day gathering. The text merely says that everyone should “lay by him in store” on the first day of the week. The New Swedish and Norwegian Bibles read: “At home by himself.” The Lamsa Translation reads: “Let each of you put aside and keep in his house”. The Wemouth reads: “Let each of you put on one side and store up at his home”. Ballantine’s Translation reads: “Let each of you lay up at home”. The Syriac, on this passage reads: “Let every one of you lay aside and preserve at home”. And the New Catholic Edition of the Bible reads: “.......let each one of you put aside at home and lay up whatever he has a mind to”. This verse says nothing about going to church on Sunday or even assembling together on Sunday.



re: “Sunday worship was further hallowed by our Lord who appeared to John in that last great vision on ‘the Lord’s Day’ (Rev. 1:10).”

I don’t see where Revelation 1:10 says anything about a first day of the week.

[Lily]

Chuckt,

re: "You don't need Mark 16 to prove a first day resurrection."

Mark 16:9 is the only scripture that places the resurretion on the first of the week.

John 20:1


" The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre "

[rstrats]

Lily,

re: “John 20:1"


I don’t see where John 20:1 says anything about when the resurrection actually took place.

[DeaconDan]

I then suggested that whenever the discussion of seventh day observance versus first day observance comes up, first day proponents usually use the idea of a first day resurrection to justify the change, and when questioned about the day of resurrection, quote Mark 16:9. The poster came back with: “Quote a published author who has done that.” - I have not yet been able to come up with one. Does anyone here know of one?

Every published author this side of the 7th-day Adventist cult would say Church meets on Sunday because the Resurrection was on Sunday. Your friend can dig up published positions as easily as you can. What is your friend's position on the issue? Does he have a published author to support him?