Mark 16:9

[Lily]

Lily,

re: “John 20:1"


I don’t see where John 20:1 says anything about when the resurrection actually took place.

John 20
1The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

2Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, They have taken away the LORD out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him.

3Peter therefore went forth, and that other disciple, and came to the sepulchre.

4So they ran both together: and the other disciple did outrun Peter, and came first to the sepulchre.

5And he stooping down, and looking in, saw the linen clothes lying; yet went he not in.

6Then cometh Simon Peter following him, and went into the sepulchre, and seeth the linen clothes lie,

7And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.

8Then went in also that other disciple, which came first to the sepulchre, and he saw, and believed.

9For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead.

10Then the disciples went away again unto their own home.

11But Mary stood without at the sepulchre weeping: and as she wept, she stooped down, and looked into the sepulchre,

12And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.

13And they say unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? She saith unto them, Because they have taken away my LORD, and I know not where they have laid him.

14And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus.

15Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.

16Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.

17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

18Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the LORD, and that he had spoken these things unto her.

19Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

20And when he had so said, he shewed unto them his hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the LORD.

21Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.

22And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

23Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

24But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.

25The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the LORD. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.

26And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.

27Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

28And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God.

29Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

30And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:

31But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
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John 20 is describing what exactly on the first day of the week ?

[rstrats]

Lily,

re: “John 20 is describing what exactly on the first day of the week ?”

Basically that a resurrection had occurred. However, it doesn’t say when.

[rstrats]

DeaconDan,

re: “Every published author this side of the 7th-day Adventist cult would say Church meets on Sunday because the Resurrection was on Sunday. “

Do you have the name of one and a quote from their work?


re: “What is your friend's position on the issue?”

Other than what I said in my OP, I don’t know.

[Lily]

Lily,

re: “John 20 is describing what exactly on the first day of the week ?”

Basically that a resurrection had occurred. However, it doesn’t say when.

The start of John 20 which is telling of Christs Resurrection begins with,,

The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early,

what do you mean, it doesn't say when ?

[rstrats]

Lily,

re: “The start of John 20 which is telling of Christs Resurrection begins with,,”The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early” - what do you mean, it doesn’t say when?”

The verse only says that Mary came to the tomb on the first day - it doesn’t say when the resurrection actually took place. There is nothing in the verse that precludes it from having occurred on the seventh day.

[canny]

How many days was Jesus in the tomb ?


( That's for anyone by the way )

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canny,

re: "How many days was Jesus in the tomb?"

Matthew 12:40 says that it would be 3 days and 3 nights.

[Lily]

Lily,

re: “The start of John 20 which is telling of Christs Resurrection begins with,,”The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early” - what do you mean, it doesn’t say when?”

The verse only says that Mary came to the tomb on the first day - it doesn’t say when the resurrection actually took place. There is nothing in the verse that precludes it from having occurred on the seventh day.

So take a look at the next verse, after " The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early "

2Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, They have taken away the LORD out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him.

" Then " she runneth,,,,. When do you think " then " means ? The next day ? The next week ? She ran to tell Simon Peter, " they have taken the Lord out of the sepulchre ".
So do you think she went on the first day but waited a day or two to go tell them he was no longer in the tomb ?

Come, come now, I know you are quite obviously intelligent so is this event describing something that happened ( he was gone ) all on the same day or not ? Or are you seriously telling me you are confused about whether this all happened on the same day ? The first day as John quite plainly says.

[rstrats]

Lily,

re: “‘ Then ‘ she runneth,,,,. When do you think ‘then’ means ?”

I think it means the first day.


re: “... do you think she went on the first day...?”

Yes.


re: “...is this event describing something that happened ( he was gone ) all on the same day or not ?”

The events described in John 20:1 and 2 are:

1. Mary came to the tomb on the first day, saw that the stone had been taken away, and apparently looked in and saw that the tomb was empty.

2. She then ran and told Peter and another disciple that the tomb was empty, that “he was gone,” and that she didn’t know what had happened to the Messiah (which BTW is curious because in Matthew she does know).


That is all we know from those two verses in John. There is nothing said that precludes a seventh day resurrection.

[iamowen]

A poster on another forum, the topic of which was questioning the authenticity of the last 12 verses in the book of Mark, wrote that it doesn’t really matter because there is no doctrinal teaching in Mark 16:9-20 that cannot be proved elsewhere in agreed Scripture.


I made the mistake of sticking my nose into the discussion by pointing out that actually there is a statement in verse 9, as the KJV and similar versions have it, that is used for a doctrinal teaching that is to be found nowhere else in Scripture. As the KJV translates it, it is the only place that puts the resurrection on the first day of the week. I then suggested that whenever the discussion of seventh day observance versus first day observance comes up, first day proponents usually use the idea of a first day resurrection to justify the change, and when questioned about the day of resurrection, quote Mark 16:9. The poster came back with: “Quote a published author who has done that.” - I have not yet been able to come up with one. Does anyone here know of one?

But there is no question as to the legitemacy of Mark 16:9-20, unless ! you want to try and make a point that you would rather that it was not legitimate ! Your point being about the first day of the week. Since Mark states it clearly and it is supported by other scripture, you try to ignore Mark or/and discredit him. What are you trying to do this for ? What is your motive ? What is your objective ? Why do you not beleive scripture ?