Are we Jewish.

[smellycat]

then if jesus is jewish as you state,and from the start jewish,then we are all jewish.

so why would jewish people go aggainst there own.?

why did david fight goliath.?

why did noah build an ark.?

so you prove some jewish are good some are bad,you will find the bad ones or there descendants in high places.

sorry if i,m rude.i don,t mean to be.but if you call Jesus you call me.

[DeaconDan]

I noticed that user Karen has in her photo gallery a quote of Galatians 3:29, "If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to the promise." (How could this be any clearer?)

Some people insist that so-called Jews are Abraham's seed. To be a so-called Jew means you converted to an anti-Christian religion, or your mother did. To be a real Jew means that you converted to Christianity.

So-called Jews oppose Jesus because Jesus is not one of their own.

[Spiritofprophecy]

then if jesus is jewish as you state,and from the start jewish,then we are all jewish.

so why would jewish people go aggainst there own.?

why did david fight goliath.?

why did noah build an ark.?

so you prove some jewish are good some are bad,you will find the bad ones or there descendants in high places.

sorry if i,m rude.i don,t mean to be.but if you call Jesus you call me.

Greetings in the name of Jesus:

Dear SmCat:

I do not wish you to think I am ignoring you. But I was not able to grasp what you were trying to say: those are all good questions, which I didn't have context to relate it,;..
..... If I may comment on what I was trying to say..

......Jesus said " I come not to Change the law and word, but to fulfill it".... That was to fulfill the promise to Abraham: " through thy seed the world shall be blessed"...The world is now blessed.

........If Jesus is the fulfillment of the law and the word; which is "Judaic law and Judaic Scriptures"; Then Jesus is the fulfillment of the Judaic faith, which we now call Christianity.
How can we deny or separate ourselves from what Jesus is the fulfillment of. Since we claim to be of Jesus, which scriptures say, we are grafted into the vine, yet of full inheritance.

When God told Abraham, " through thy seed the world shall be blessed"... He could have added, Except for your descendants to receive, for 2000 years after everyone else.
Why the Hebrew people, were blinded as to Jesus, is excellent food for fodder.

I pray my words do not offend, God bless all Christians in forum, and all who use it.

[smellycat]

sorry m8,thats taking the emphasis off Christ and putting on judaic law.when we know we can,t do the law without Christ.
like having a crossbow without the arrow,we know how it works put is useless without the reason.

[Spiritofprophecy]

sorry m8,thats taking the emphasis off Christ and putting on judaic law.when we know we can,t do the law without Christ.
like having a crossbow without the arrow,we know how it works put is useless without the reason.

Greetings in the name of Jesus:

Dear SmCat:

I am afraid that your logic eludes me, that we should emphasis Jesus, yet heed not where he came from, what he represents, and what he is the fulfillment of..

Using your metaphor about "Crossbow and the Arrow"...If Jesus is the arrow, it is useless up to a point without the crossbow, and but a sharp stick...

Jesus is really all things; Metaphor's don't always fit as to perspective; Jesus is the "fulfillment"... and the " word made flesh"... Can I then claim the "word of God", which is of Hebrew root and substance has not meaning or value; when Jesus himself is the Word, the " Word made flesh"?

We spoke earlier about Nullification or to Nullify something..Which I thought we agreed, that nothing should be Nullified, unless it is anti God or anti Jesus, and all things are for mans benefit to find Gods way...Including Judaic law and truth.

According to Scriptures,,,The day will come, when men shall no longer heed or follow the law, But it is replaced with the word and Law being written upon the hearts of man, and the word shall dwell within man, And " Man shall live the word"...Which is Christianity having the Kingdom of heaven and Jesus and Holy spirit dwelling within the hearts of men.

But again I could be misunderstanding your point, why the "crossbow of Judaism" should not have emphasis as to the word. I kind of believe, that it is all one story, and one complete truth, including Jews and Gentiles; as to God for all mankind. And it is all Indivisible.

I pray my words will not offend, God bless all Christians in forum, and all those who us it....

[smellycat]

if you follow Christ,you should follow the law anyway.
thats the general idea.

[Bloodbought]

Hi All
The mosaic law required that a sacrifice be made for sin by the one who had sinned. The whole of the Old Testament tabernacle and temple laws were about these sacrifices.

When Jesus came he made the Final sacrifice. The sacrifice to end all sacrifices. There is now no need for all the OT laws about sacrifice for sin or as a means of worshipping God. We worship God in Spirit and Truth.

All the requirements of the sacrificial law have been fullfilled.

The 10 commandments are the Moral law and we have been forgiven for breaking that law when we confess our sin. We as believers should be keeping the 10 commandments with God's help and grace.

The Jews as a nation rejected CHrist. We are not Jews we are Children of God. The children of Israel were God's people and will be again in a future day when Christ returns as their Messiah.

[Spiritofprophecy]

Greetings in the name of Jesus:

Let me first speak to topic of, "Under grace". Which is the Jesus/Messiah part of salvation and Gods truth in scriptures.

No one is perfect in understanding doctrines or oneness with Gods Spirit. We are only perfect and saved by this "Grace" from God, of Perfect blood covering of Jesus. Which we all fall short of the "Glory of God".

Even with differences of doctrines; We are all united in Faith in Jesus: which is his salvation\forgiveness; reuniting us back unto God.

But there is separation and division as to Gods sure truths, as to God "Hiding his truth" or retaining the "mystery of God", for the faithful, to then reveal God truths, to whom God so chooses to reveal it through the Spirit of God through faith and humility of believers. Which mysteries and concepts being hidden, do confuse and mislead all flesh in part. Which "God is not the author" of this confusion. We clearly see this in Multitudes of doctrines and denominations today.

As to established interpretations; we have guide posts to help (Judaic guideposts), which the Christian community has ignored, being separated over time from its Judaic roots of Jesus, which has caused confusion. Which then a Middle ages Catholic concept of many non Judaic concepts were entertained, with embellished pagan roots, which all, including me, of west are rooted.

What Jews interpreted and then confirmed about Scriptures, should be entertained and retained if confirmed by Jesus, disciples or Prophets coming before. One must "build on what came before".. That is established.

The focus of our faith, should be one that Jesus and disciples did accept and believe about doctrine and scriptures, in the first Century: Coming from Jesus and disciples; where the faith is pure and sure. What Jesus taught and believed, as with Disciples and early Judaic Christians is what we also should attempt to heed and believe. Remember Jesus was a believing Jew...!!!
Is this wrong..? I think not

I pray my words do not offend, God bless all Christians in forum, and all who use it.

[iamowen]

I undersand what you are saying. But Jesus taught HIS disciples that most of what the Jews of HIS day were teaching (especially what the scribes, Pharisee's and saducee's taught) was wrong. They were teaching tradition instead of truth. Are we as you say supposed to build on that ! If we did we would crucify Jesus again and again for time immemorial. When was the last time they got it right ? Did they ever get it right ? Well I supose we can learn from their mistakes, if that were ever possible as history shows we never do.
Just a few idea's to throw in the pan for your consideration.

[Spiritofprophecy]

Greetings in the name of Jesus:

Speaking in context as to my previous post #8, as to Judaic established truths; which Jesus did accepts... Was and is the Omnipotent, All powerful God concepts, which is instructed into Jewish children from the beginning...There is only "One Power", which is God.

One example is the Genesis story about Eve and the Snake.
If your grounded and established in Judaic interpretations and truths. One will not accept powers outside of God.

So God and Man were in the " Garden of Eden"...according to established Judaic truths...And a Snake talks to Eve...!! According to One God concept, its either a God speaking snake or of man..!!!

If we can, lets set aside the concept of Snake being another entity, God or demi God outside of the One God.

Jewish children are taught that God has mysteries, which are concealed in Parables and in Prophesies..As we have thousands of confused, and varied interpretations of Gods one truth,as in Christianity today.

Jewish children for 3000 years read the Adam and Eve story, counseled to interpret it in the one God of Power alone concept. To view this speaking snake, as either a God entity symbolism or a Man symbolism. Which if to then read in One God Jewish concept, can easily then be interpreted as Man/Womans disobedient spirit speaking to Eve; in a snake concept.
So that then, Children understood that the Snake was mans disobedience speaking to man or Eve, through Eve. Which this concept exist today in Judaism. Which is an established One God concept, not polytheism; that the snake is not of God, or man. Which is clearly polytheism...!!!
Which concept is separated by the Christians Change...!! of this Middle ages Dante's inferno concept of God and demi Gods from pagan roots. All proven to be from Middle ages,; or to say, its concepts has not a written established history before the Middle ages, as to Judaic or Christians doctrine. It's purely of Catholic origin. Does God allow power outside of God? No. Only mans disobedience is outside of Gods perfection.

If Satan is another being or entity, and of power to deceive Eve out side of Eve herself. Then God is not then All powerful. Which Guidepost established truth of One God, is quickly dismissed and ignored.

Entertaining the concept of Satan as " Demi God"..would contradict, an Omnipotent all powerful God. Along with many other established concepts of God, from the Judaic root truths accepted by Jews, Jesus and the early Christians for 2000 years, until the Catholic concepts were established In pagan times.

I shall venture to say, and establish as a truth; that these Dante's inferno, and Polytheistic concepts of early Catholic monks (middle ages), have no doctrinal history established before these middle age origins of Monks. Which interpretations are from Sealed Prophesies and parables, and the symbolic Jewish concepts were reinterpreted from a western Christian perspective, not building upon what has come before or established.

As in previous post; one may if of faith in Jesus salvation; believe in the tooth fairy, or Satan the demi God outside of Gods control, not of man. And these or any false concepts alone will not condemn ones soul, if Jesus is within them and their savior. But Christians can easily be deceived if not of sound root in Scriptures. A Judaic root, which is Jesus.

If the snake is not of Eve or God...Then it has power outside of Gods control, and God is not Omnipotent, all powerful. So if it's established, that God is All powerful, then the snake is either God, or man. This concept is confirmed in the New testament.. 1 Corinthians 10:13..Related to where Eve tempted;... but there is " No temptation" which is not Common unto man. Not common. If snakes talk to eve, then they talk to us.

This concept is established as sure, with the " there hath no temptation taken you" Of: 1 Corinthians 10:13...establishing this is an absolute truth, of New testament;... that the talking snake, deceiving eve. Is actually symbolism of " Common temptations"...and there is no other...Unless someone seeks to tell me they talk to snakes...!

One can believe the Interpretations of Jesus, Disciples and Judaism: about Satan and his persona as to All Mighty and powerful God, or the Middle ages concept of multiple Gods and demi Gods of power outside of Gods control, which temptations; are not common unto all flesh, and rebel against God and his control; which contradicts scripture...
It's established Judaic truth, that Only Man rebels. And outside of God, from Adam to Jesus...Original sin, which before Adam and Eve; all things were perfect as to God. Evil exist after Jesus, but without power in heaven, its cast out, or down.. defeated by Jesus, God, and Michael...! yet one defeat of Satan for all time.

So was God and Man in the Garden..? ; or God, Man and another in the Garden..? A Non Man and Satan snake of power entity..? 2 or 3... Judaism only accepts 2 people in the garden. Man and God.

3000 years of established Judaic truth, says God and Man alone in the Garden, which established truth, is accepted by Jesus and all, before the 11-12th century Catholic Christians monks established the Pantheon of demonic beings outside of God and man. Which all temptations and evil, originates and comes from man alone. At least that is the established Judaic interpretations, which all evidence shows; Jesus believed in this One God, all powerful concept...! We are all under grace, if faith in Jesus, who is God...!!

Is it possible Christians can be deceived about Satan...? wow.. that confirmation of Scripture.. Satan deceives.

One may believe the Catholic concept of Satan, of Middle ages; or the First century concept of Jesus about Satan, which is established and confirmed by Jesus and disciples since Moses, confirmed by Prophets !.. Parables have and do deceive men. As do Sealed prophesies.

I pray my words do not offend, God bless all Christians in forum, and all who use it.