Can you cut the mark of the beast off and be saved?

[BENONI]

Try reading post 14 on this thread.

Have you a Scripture reference for that please ?

[BENONI]

Post 14.

Benoni, we can only express an opinion without scripture reference, if you tell someone they are wrong without scripture, then it is an opinion...which you are quite entitled too, but it does make no one elses opinion incorrect.

[BENONI]

Are we Christian and do not understand that God’s Word is spiritual and is not literal, buying and selling have nothing to do with human buying and selling but has everything to do with the realm of God which is spiritual. Poor in spirit speaks of those who are hungry not for natural food, but spiritual food.

A rich man is someone so full of his own preconceived bias he has no room for anything new.

Isaiah 66:2
For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.

Matthew 5:3
Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Luke 4:18
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

“Because thou sayest, I am rich and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich” (Rev. 3:17-18).

“Buy of me gold” means to pay the price for the divine nature of our Father to be brought forth in our lives! “Tried in the fire” means that His nature has become an experiential reality within us. It speaks of an intimate, direct encounter with God that causes all that is contrary to His nature to be consumed by the all-consuming fire of His Spirit, resulting in our spiritual growth and maturity in Christ.

Our Lord has called upon His elect to buy of Him this gold tried in the fire, that we may be rich! Now we know what the true riches are! The riches of which He speaks are not the riches of the world, either of money, material things, or of stature, position, fame, or self-glory. The riches of this world corrupt the spiritual man and prevent a manifestation of the true Life of God. The gold that we are to buy of Him represents a life that has been tried and tested, even as gold is refined, to bring forth the qualities of the Christ life within all who are His called and chosen ones.

If people receive" the mark then it is not something they are born with. The term "beast" is not used in the Bible to identify carnal nature but to identify nations or kings. George Washington and Hitler were both free to buy and sell whether or not they were carnal or saved. Your lengthy post is filled mostly with irrelevant or inconsequential points.

[BENONI]

When Adam died, he did not die phyically for 930 years, but what he truly died of was from the spiritual realm of God. He became naked, which has nothing to do with phyical cloths. He took on the carnal beastly nature and could no longer hear, see, touch God.

[BENONI]

How hungry/poor are you for God; how deep do you dare to probe, where your limits of God is in what you perceive who He is.

I read an article a while back from a man I respect as and believe anointed of God in many way. This man spoke of a dream he had where he was sitting at a table full of spiritual food, across the table was Jesus. They just sat there eating all this food which was right in front of them. As they sat there the man sup with Jesus, he noticed Billy Graham come to the table get a plate full of spiritual food, and he left. This happened over and over as he noticed many well known deep men of God eat from this table and then leave.

He then asks Jesus why they leave after so little when there was so much to eat. Jesus replied to Him, they were satisfied. I had an experience happen to me where for a time I feasted and feasted on some deep anointed literature; let me tell you something; I am satisfied; sure I want more.

'Behold, I stand at the door and knock: if ANY MAN hear my voice and open the door, I will come in to HIM and sup with HIM and he with ME.' The church of the last days is the church of the INDIVIDUAL. It is the individual believer with a PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP to Christ. For the man who will forsake ALL ELSE and sup with Christ this is an age of glory, an hour of preparation such as we have never known. This is a time when the Spirit of God is speaking TO YOU AS AN INDIVIDUAL. He seeks to sup and dine and feast with you apart from all the religious confusion about us. It is a glorious day when we see the promise that is ours in this hour"

[Lily]

Try reading post 14 on this thread.

Try answering my question with the Scripture reference I curteously asked for please.

[BENONI]

Perhaps your real problem is your religious hearing to the answer to your question, instead of spiritual hearing? BIG difference.

Try answering my question with the Scripture reference I curteously asked for please.

[Lily]

I asked a simple curteous question,,,,

Have you a Scripture reference for that please ?

is a curteous reply to much to ask for ?

[BENONI]

I understand your question, you speak as if the mark is literal, I say there is nothing literal about the mark of the beast, Do you not understand the literal is the same as the letter that killeth; the spirit brings life not the literal.

Matthew 13
13:13 Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.

13:14 And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says: 'Hearing you will hear and shall not understand, And seeing you will see and not perceive;

13:15 For the hearts of this people have grown dull. Their ears are hard of hearing, And their eyes they have closed, Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn, So that I should heal them.'

13:16 "But blessed are your eyes for they see, and your ears for they hear;

I asked a simple curteous question,,,,



is a curteous reply to much to ask for ?

[BENONI]

God’s deep truth are heard by individuals (singular) not by systems of religions (plural ears). Hearing is not with natural ears, carnal ears, or even religious ears.



The elect are those who hear; the word “hear” is mentioned 46 times in the Book of Revelation. Hear singular; not plural; notice the word over comer is so often used with the word hear singular. The word see is mentioned 22 times and this has nothing to do with natural hearing and seeing,

Revelation 1:3
Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

Revelation 2:7
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

Revelation 2:11
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

Revelation 2:17
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.


Revelation 2:29
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Revelation 3:3
Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

Revelation 3:6
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
Revelation 3:13
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Revelation 3:20
Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

Revelation 3:22
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
Revelation 3:21-22 (in Context) Revelation 3 (Whole Chapter)

The elect of God are not all believers. The elect of God our the overcomers; only those see and hear what the spirit is saying to the out called. They are a far cry from the vast majority of believers who think because they are simply believing because they are the elect.