Hell is a turn off

[canny]

an interesting post,,, thank you Rib1

[NearertoGod]

I know I am kind of late on this topic, but I feel the need to give my own 2 cents.

I, for one, cannot understand people who see something wrong with the doctrine of Hell. God is god...what do we expect Him to do? Send all His people to Heaven with the unsaved? To me, that would just cause Heaven to end up like Earth...corrupt, if you can understand what I am getting at. We seem to find nothing wrong with jails - prison is like torment, too, you know. You're seperated from your family and friends, locked in tiny cells with other criminals, some even more dangerous than you. I think this is a good pointer to Hell. Hell, to me, is like a prison. Or it IS prison. You're seperated from God, etc., only not everyone gets parole or bail. But, when it comes to Hell...people start backing up.

God is a just god. Justice means punishing the unjust. Justice is rewarding the just. I do not deserve to be saved, but I am because God has allowed me to become saved. We have the choice whether or not to accept God. We don't know it consciously, but when we choose to live lifestyles that do not have God in them we are going to have the consequences of it. Sure, by our standards, there are "good" people. But just because someone donates to the Good Will or helps people in Africa does not make them "good" in God's eyes. He judges us by our hearts, not by our actions. Righteous deeds do not save us, nor do the interventions of other men.

Sincerely,

NTG

[Karen]

AMEN


NearertoGod

[canny]

I am still pondering this issue......

[RibI]

Eternal life is a gift from God, not something we are born with. God does not give eternal life to those who do not love and obey Him.

There is nothing we can do to earn eternal life. But our rebellion against God can earn us eternal death. Ro. 6:23

Revelation 14:11 should be read more carefully. It in no way speaks about the torture of people endlessly.

Rev.14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever;
[according to Vines Complete Dictionary of Hebrew and Greek Words; forever and ever is Strong’s # 165 “aion” means an age, a period of indefinite duration, a time viewed in relation to what takes place in the period.]
and they have no rest day
[Vines also says about the word used for day; Strong’s #2250 “hemera” a day, an age, the period of natural light, 24 hours, one period of day and night]
or night, (Of their torment) is a prepositional phrase. The subject of [ascends forever] is SMOKE, not their torment.
[the word night is Strong’s # 3571 “nux” a literal night, alternating natural period to that of day, the period of the absence of light, the time in which something takes place]
who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”

All of the time periods referenced in this verse [forever and ever, day, night] have time limits. There is no indication that they go on without end.

The God of love, could never; would never, devise a plan that would end up tourtureing us forever.

[inquisitive]

Thats all good about the time thing with the day, but.....just one question.......when it is the 'time' for hell, then would time still exist, would there be aging, the sun rising, the moon setting, God exists outside of time, i see this often, so when it comes to spending the rest of your 'time' with God, and those that spend that time, age in hell, would it not be a moot point, time being irrelevant, so wether or not the word means a day, or forever and a day, it is still forever, as that descriptive day, would no longer be called a day

lol hard to put into words those thoughts sorry

[RibI]

God is the one that used the terms. I believe Him.

[inquisitive]

no doubt God did, so time is still relevant then at that point? time will still go on, the earth will still be dying then ?

[RibI]

After the 1,000 year rein of Christ and after the "White Throne Judgment;" then there will be a New Heaven and New Earth. Then there will be no more time.

[Bloodbought]

After the 1,000 year rein of Christ and after the "White Throne Judgment;" then there will be a New Heaven and New Earth. Then there will no more time.

Sorry RibI I have to disagree with you on this.

Heaven & the Lake of Fire are eternal and spiritual states and time will not exist. That is why our bodies will be changed to be like "His glorious body" so that we can live "forever". A body that can decay can never enter heaven since that decay is a result of sin.

The new earth will be as the existing earth was supposed to be and will be subject to time. Time has been described as the fourth dimension and scientifically speaking matter cannot exist without time. Whether there will be decay on the earth I am not sure. There will be no death because (therein dwelleth righteousness) there will be no sin. I think that there will be summer & winter, day & night and therefore there may be some dying of of plants etc according to seasonal changes.