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    Grace and peace in Christ Gary52 , Do you know that before God created everything He knew that He would have to sacrifice His Son because Man would let Him Down . When God created Man He gave Him one instruction and that was not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil well Man let Him down and so because of tat disobedience Sin entered the world and man is born with that sin nature even today . God because of His perfect righteousness cannot forgive man justly for that SIN .So because God knows all things from the end to the beginning knew that He would have to Kill His own Son as the Perfect Sacrifice in order to reconcile Man back to God , so He gave us His son in an act of absolute Love so to pay the account of the sin of the whole world . So thats leaves every individual with achoice ....do they want salvation or not ....God cannot do any more ...and as far as each one is concerned all they need to do is believe .....so if anyone . goes to hell it is of their own choice and no of God because God has paid the price so we can have salvation for free . Now is that love or not

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    I think we probably all have a slightly different vision of hell, my personal belief is that hell is for demons.. I do not believe that unbelievers are demons, hell for them is being without Jesus, and they remain in that state when they die, without the love that will make it heavenly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by canny View Post
    I think we probably all have a slightly different vision of hell, my personal belief is that hell is for demons.. I do not believe that unbelievers are demons, hell for them is being without Jesus, and they remain in that state when they die, without the love that will make it heavenly.

    My dear canny if that is the case the where does "And whosoever was not found written in the book if life was cast into the lake of fire" Revelation 20:15

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    I dunno I gave up on revelations,,, and started with something simpler,,, I may change my opinion if I ever get my head round it.,,, I will go back downstairs before I confoose the issue.
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    There are many people who for various reasons have been put off believing in God, many are put off by the attitude of the church itself, because they have not had their eyes opened to the truth, they are not held accountable. there are others who have bought the lie that they are unworthy, this to is a blindness to the truth.

    John 9:41 (ANIV)
    Jesus said, "If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains.

    There are others who know the truth, but chose to ignore it for their own ends even to using it to promote themselves in the churches. And then there are those that have no interest in Jesus, or faith at all, but oppress the weak, even slaughter them for their own gain and to retain power over them. We serve a just God, and justice will be done. If this were not so then there would be no justice for the abused and God would be proved unworthy of honour.
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    He is a God of love, but He is also a God of wrath. He pours His love out on those who accept Him, and He pours His wrath out on those who reject Him.

    In Revelation 20 we read in verse 10 that "The devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented for ever and ever."

    In verses 14 and 15 it says, "And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."

    Hell itself will be cast into the lake of fire. That would include all those who are in hell. Since "death" is not a person or physical entity, I think that is saying that there will be no more death. A young man once came to the realization that, "I will have to spend eternity somewhere." That realization caused him to turn to the Lord. I don't remember which one he was, but he became a very well known preacher.

    This is all future, but it will happen. The devil, the beast, the false prophet, death, hell, and all those who reject Jesus Christ will be cast into the lake of fire. Notice in verse 10 that it is FOREVER. Will people be tormented forever as the devil, beast, and false prophet will? It doesn't say that they will. Personally, I would think that just being eternally separated from God's love would be torment enough. Is it a literal "lake of fire", or is that figurative? All I know is that I prefer to experience God's love rather than His wrath.
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    Gary, IMO, try to look at the postive, not the negative.
    I know this may seem like a cop out, but what drew me to God was not a negative, it was not fear of hell, but God's amazing love and compassion that drew me to Him.

    It is fair to say that A LOT of Christians struggle with the concept of Hell ie that all non-christians will go there.
    a lot of people won't admit to finding this hard to stomach, you are being very honest and should be commended for that.

    God is beyond our understanding, but I promise you, that if you seek Him with all your heart, and read your Bible (if you have one) expectantly, He will meet with you.

    (Let me know if this doesn't happen....)
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloryB View Post
    God doesn't choose to send anyone to hell....they choose this for themselves.
    Have you ever met anyone who consciously and knowingly sent themselves to hell?

    Can you give me one name from scripture of anyone who has done this?


    There are only two ways to go. A person either chooses God or they choose satan. They may not think this is what they are doing....but they are. Therefore, if they didn't choose God during their brief time on earth, then there is still their eternity(because man is an eternal spirit) to deal with. And again, IF they didn't choose God, then they will spend their eternity with the god they did choose. This god's eternal destiny is hell.
    So a person may not realize that he is going to end up in everlasting torture without hope of mercy, in a place that that was created for that purpose by a loving God?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary52 View Post
    Have you ever met anyone who consciously and knowingly sent themselves to hell?

    Can you give me one name from scripture of anyone who has done this?


    So a person may not realize that he is going to end up in everlasting torture without hope of mercy, in a place that that was created for that purpose by a loving God?
    Lets turn the table around.

    Why does God choose not to send ALL mankind to hell? I mean, He IS the God and Creator of the Universe. He can do whatever He wants to do. We are the ones who are rebelling against Him and questioning His methods. So, why has He offered this 'salvation'....this way of 'saving' mankind from hell?

    If He was not a God of love and compassion.....why would He do that? Not only did He make the plan of salvation the day mankind rebelled and fell, but He came Himself in the form of a man only to be mocked, brutally beaten and nailed to a cross so He could wipe His own blood over mankind and save them.

    The ONLY response mankind has to have is to believe in Him. They can choose to believe or not believe. Those who choose to believe begin a relationship with Him and get to know Him. These people know only of His great love for them.

    So, the only valid question is "Do you believe?" And if you do Gary52....let God Himself love you and only then will you understand the answers to the these questions that you are letting separate yourself from Him.
    About the time I get on my high horse, Jesus comes riding in on a donkey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GloryB View Post
    Lets turn the table around.

    Why does God choose not to send ALL mankind to hell? I mean, He IS the God and Creator of the Universe. He can do whatever He wants to do. We are the ones who are rebelling against Him and questioning His methods. So, why has He offered this 'salvation'....this way of 'saving' mankind from hell?

    If He was not a God of love and compassion.....why would He do that? Not only did He make the plan of salvation the day mankind rebelled and fell, but He came Himself in the form of a man only to be mocked, brutally beaten and nailed to a cross so He could wipe His own blood over mankind and save them.

    The ONLY response mankind has to have is to believe in Him. They can choose to believe or not believe. Those who choose to believe begin a relationship with Him and get to know Him. These people know only of His great love for them.

    So, the only valid question is "Do you believe?" And if you do Gary52....let God Himself love you and only then will you understand the answers to the these questions that you are letting separate yourself from Him.
    With respect, I have asked three questions... none have been answered.

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