The Church is not raptured

[Elijah_101]

Every one will go through the tribulations, I will show you with scriptures , i will show you when the tribulations will start, I do not know the day or the hour, but i know the signs that Jesus Christ gave us in his words, we are the children of the day and not of the night, so that day will not come upon us unawares as it it the for the world

Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. Rev 7:3

the Elect obey God and Keep his commandments words and sayings John 14:14-23 John 8:51 , So the Lord will Seal them because of the obediece to him

Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast. 21 For, behold, the Lord cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.
Isaiah 26:20-21

A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee. 8 Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked.Psalms 91:7-8


before people can say , they must know when the Tribulations will start,

and who the church is,

and Know when Jesus shall return, and the scriptures says after the tribulations

In verse 21, Jesus said this is the beginning of the Tribulations, When Jerusalem is compassed with armies

And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. Luke 21:20


Verse 16 this is the Church


16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

18 let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. 19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Now Jesus is telling these people in Judaea to flee into the mountains, because God has a place prepared in the wilderness, this is the Church Jesus is talking about

as it says in Zech 14:1-5

And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
Rev 12:14

The Church Rev 12:6 Rev 12:14

And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. Rev 12:6

Now note This

This is when Satan is Cast down, because the Church is reborn,

And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Rev 12:9

No were in the scriptures does it say the church is Raptured , God Prepared a Place for them in the Wilderness.

And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Rev 12:17

Please read carefuly

but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye1 Cor 15:51-52

we shall be Changed, the scripture does not say we will go to heaven

we will be Changed from mortal to immortality.1 Cor 15:53

those who are Alive and Remaining shall be calught up to Meet the Lord in the Air, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committ
Jude 1:15


Even the sinners shall be Changed


And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.
Rev 9:6


For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord 1 Thess 4:15


Now when Is Jesus coming?


Immediately after the tribulation Matt 24:27-31


Now who are these in sleep in Jesus 1 Thess 4:14


We Know when Jesus Died on the Cross he went to hell that day as the Scripture says in Jonah 2:1 Matt 12:40

By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison 1 Peter 3:19

That thou mayest say to the prisoners, Go forth; to them that are in darkness, Shew yourselves.

Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. 9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? Eph 4:8-9

To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. Isaiah 42:7

Jesus Took all of those that Believe In Him out of captivity And

Put them in another captivity **Were They are today** sleep in Jesus 1 Thess 4:14 These People are all those before Christ

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God

the dead in Christ shall rise first 1 Thess 4:16

Which will happen when Jesus returns Immediately after the tribulation

all the apostles and prophet, that gave their life for God, will be there in this day


Now who are these that are alive and remaining?

These are they which came out of great tribulation Rev 7:14

Rev 19:11 Is the Saints, these are they which are alive and remain

And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

Now this is the meeting in the air

And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. Jude 1:14-15

Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world?

and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life? 1 Cor 6:2-3

How can the saints Judge the world if they are in Heaven? and why would Jesus bring the sleeping Jesus with him when he comes? if every one is Going to heaven?

Dont you know heaven is Coming here on earth? that God is going to set up his city made with out hands, here on earth

And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. Rev 21:2

[bikelite]

I like the name yes you are the man but a man that needs help and I hope Jesus can help you. Its total garbage I have read this stuff many times. But that is only my thoughts.

[Elijah_101]

I like the name yes you are the man but a man that needs help and I hope Jesus can help you. Its total garbage I have read this stuff many times. But that is only my thoughts.

there shall be Great Tribulation Not Since The Beginning Of The World

For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Matt 24:21-22


After The Tribulation

Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Matt 24:29-30


After That Tribulation



But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, 25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.

And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
Mark 13:24-26

After the TRIBULATIONS Jesus shall gather together his ELECT Matt 24:29-31

And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.Matt 24:31


sever the wicked from among the just.


So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just. Matt 13:49



As Jesus Said IN Matt 13:49-50 Matt 25:32-33



If a man abide not in me , he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them , and b]cast them into the fire[/b] , and they are burned.

Jesus is Going to Seperate all of His People that Obeys His, Commandments-John 14:15 Words and Sayings John 14:23-24. Jesus is Going to Put them on the Right


And For all Those who do Not OBEY Gods, Commandments Words and Sayings


And do not OBEY the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, Romans 2:6

God Will Put them on the LEFT

For This Cause Jesus Said, And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left

So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, 50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

This is What Jesus is Coming to do...to all of those who do not OBEY him

Then We Shall All Be Changed Even The SINNER

Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 1 Cor 15:51-53

Reward Every Man According To His Works

Matt 16:27 - For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

men seek death, and shall not find it

And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.
Rev 9:6



Hid Themselves In The Dens


Rev 6:15 - And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?



Go Into The Holes Of The Rocks

Isaiah 2:19 - And they shall go into the holes of the rocks, and into the caves of the earth, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth. 20 In that day a man shall cast his idols of silver, and his idols of gold, which they made each one for himself to worship, to the moles and to the bats; 21 To go into the clefts of the rocks, and into the tops of the ragged rocks, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth. 22 Cease ye from man, whose breath is in his nostrils: for wherein is he to be accounted of?

Mountains, Cover Us; And To The Hills, Fall On Us.

Hosea 10:8 - The high places also of Aven, the sin of Israel, shall be destroyed: the thorn and the thistle shall come up on their altars; and they shall say to the mountains, Cover us; and to the hills, Fall on us.

Why

If you have Sin When Jesus Comes, Thats it..No 2nd Chances He That Is Unjust, Let Him Be Unjust Still

Rev 22:11-He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. 12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

Wicked Shall Do Wickedly

Dan 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

Caught Up Together With Them In The Clouds

1 Thess 4:15-17 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Alive And Remain From What?

And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?

14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation , and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Rev 7:13-14

[Meeting The Lord In The Air


Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints

To execute judgment upon all

Jude 1:14 - And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. 16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.

[bikelite]

Why do they hate the pretrib view and the rapture teaching in considering things to come. Because satan hates Israel and the Lords plan to save remnants out of Israel and out of his creation called man in general. These who hurl invective are deluded , in denial, I dont doubt their salvation, but I do doubt their faithful adherence to Gods prophetic word. They prefer manmade eschatology, and that is given not by the holy spirit, but by lucifer 2 Peter 3:3-4.

[Onesiphorus]

WEll Bikelite I for one will be caught up in the air and those who want the tribulation and The Wrath of God are welcomed to it .God has promised I shall not have to face His Wrath

[Jay Dub]

WEll Bikelite I for one will be caught up in the air and those who want the tribulation and The Wrath of God are welcomed to it .God has promised I shall not have to face His Wrath

The Church, all believers, will not see the wrath of God, but those who are still alive when the tribulation begins, will go through it. Gods wrath is not for believers

[bikelite]

Amen. up to 100f today love it thats a good gf summer.

[Elijah_101]

WEll Bikelite I for one will be caught up in the air and those who want the tribulation and The Wrath of God are welcomed to it .God has promised I shall not have to face His Wrath

Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast. 21 For, behold, the Lord cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.

Isaiah 26:20-21

The wrath of God will not come to the Elect Because the Elect obey God and Keep his commandments words and sayings John 14:14-23 John 8:43 they will suffer until all of this passes

And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? 14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Rev 7:13-14

The Sheep Obey God and Keep His Commandments words and Sayings as Jesus said My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me John 10:26 Rev 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

The Goats are sinners, which will be taken and destroyed Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angelsMatthew 25:31-45

The Wrath of God is for those who do not Obey Gods commandments words and sayings JOhn 14:15-23 John 8:51 2 Thessalonians 1:8 John 8:53 Romans 1:18

thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. Rev 3:10

Put ye in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe: come, get you down; for the press is full, the fats overflow; for their wickedness is great. Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision.

As the Scripture says

For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 1 Thess 5:3-4

Those who see the Great Tribulations coming and keep the Commandments words and sayings of God will excape the the hour of temptation

We know that Jesus is not coming until after the tribulations Matt 24:29-30

The most well know Scripture for Rapture believers 1 Thess 4:14-15

For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

When Know when Jesus Died on the Cross he went to hell that day as the Scripture says in Jonah 2:1 Matt 12:40

By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison 1 Peter 3:19

That thou mayest say to the prisoners, Go forth; to them that are in darkness, Shew yourselves.


Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. 9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? Eph 4:8-9

To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. Isaiah 42:7

Jesus Took all of those that Believe In Him out of captivity And

Put them in another captivity ...Which They are... sleep in Jesus 1 Thess 4:14

Which The Scripture says in Rev 6:10-11

And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them? 8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Luke 18:7-8

These are the People Jesus will Bring with him, on his Return,

Now we must Remember, When is Jesus Coming, Immediately after the tribulation Matt 24:29-30

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first 1 Thess 4:16

Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 1 Thess 4:17

Now who are these that are Alive and Remain From What?

And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation , and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Rev 7:13-14

This is when Jesus will Gather his ELECT After the TRIBULATIONS Matt 24:29-31

Now is Jesus takeing you to heaven, in that meeting in the Air? NO

Meeting The Lord In The Air

Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints To execute judgment upon all Jude 1:14

All will Go through the Tribulations, no one will excape this Great dreadful day, which will be upon this earth soon, so Prepair your Self, Get Closer to God, repent from all Sins, and Pray you maybe able to Stand Before the Son of Man Luke 21:36

And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Matt 24:22

A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee.

Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked. Psalms 91:7-8

The Church, all believers, will not see the wrath of God, but those who are still alive when the tribulation begins, will go through it. Gods wrath is not for believers

How could you be Raptured when Jesus is coming after the Tribulations?

This is when Jesus will Gather his Elect after the Tribulations Matt 24:29-31 ? 1 Thess 4:15-17 the scripture i see used the most by rapture believers,we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation , and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Rev 7:13-14

We know Jesus is Coming after the Tribulations, Jesus will Gaher His Elect after the tribulations, and this is when the meeting in the air will that place after the tribulations, and your not going to Heaven eather, all in this meeting will do Judgement as it says in Jude 1:15

not knowing that those who are 1st taken will be destroyed as the Scripture says

The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.Matt 13:41-42


Job 39:27- Doth the eagle mount up at thy command, and make her nest on high? 28 She dwelleth and abideth on the rock, upon the crag of the rock, and the strong place. 29 From thence she seeketh the prey, and her eyes behold afar off.

Her young ones also suck up blood: and where the slain are, there is she.

Luke 17:36 - Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 37 And they answered and said unto him,

Where, Lord?

And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.
Matt 24:27- For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the Eagles be gathered together.

Do you want to be the one Taken?

And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.Rev 5:10

For the upright shall dwell in the land, and the perfect shall remain in it. 22 But the wicked shall be cut off from the earth, and the transgressors shall be rooted out of it.
Prov 2:21-22

[Pariah]

WEll Bikelite I for one will be caught up in the air and those who want the tribulation and The Wrath of God are welcomed to it .God has promised I shall not have to face His Wrath

That is why we are warned as a chaste bride of Christ to be ready and found abiding in Him by trusting Him to be Our Good Shepherd to help us live as His by the grace of God as we have been saved by faith in Jesus Christ by the grace of God also. Colossians 1:28

Since no flesh shall glory in His Presence, it stands to reason that no stuck-ups will be in Heaven. The first shall be last and the last shall be first: no one will be exalting themselves over anyone else: for we shall all glory in the Lord for bringing us Home. 1 Corinthians 1:29-31 1 Corinthians 3:21-23

Now for those that believe but have fallen away from the faith, ( 1 Timothy 4:1-2 Matthew 7:21-23 ) His appearing is what I perceive as drawing all the wayward back to Himself to restore them to the path of righteousness for His name's sake as they are the other sheep that had followed the stranger's voice, but will now follow His voice and be of the one fold and one Shepherd. John 10:1-5 & John 10:14-16

Those that have sown to the flesh and reaped corruption, they have given up their first inheritance for wild living like the prodigal son as the Father will chasten every child He receives so that they may be partakers of His holiness. Hebrews 12:1-29 1 Corinthians 3:10-23

Both the waywards and the prodigal sons will become the vessels unto dishonour in God's house, but Jesus will finish His work in them for He will lose nothing. 1 Peter 4:17 John 6:38-40 Philippians 1:6-11 2 Timothy 2:18-21

Even so, come Lord Jesus and shine forth. Psalm 80

[Pariah]

The Church, all believers, will not see the wrath of God, but those who are still alive when the tribulation begins, will go through it. Gods wrath is not for believers

Seeing how many shall fall away from the faith due to false prophets: Matthew 7:13-27 & Luke 13:24-30, believers that are keeping the faith will be the chaste bride as the foolish virgins will be left behind, but Jesus will finish His work in them in that they will have oil for their lamps to shine to be faithful witnesses of the Son finally, and they will not love their lives even unto death.

Each of the seven churches in Revelation, God addresses and prunes so that they may be ready to avoid the hour of temptation that shall try all on the face of the earth and those that do not repent of their evil deeds ex. fornication, scorcery,..etc. ) shall be cast into the bed of the great tribulation.

So that is why the good fight is keeping the faith so that we may be the chaste bride ( vessels unto honour) unto Christ, the Bridegroom when He appears. This is what it means to obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus WITH eternal glory.

Let us pray to Jesus for discernment for the prunings we need in our walk with Him and trust Him to be Our Good Shepherd in bringing us Home.