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    Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast. 21 For, behold, the Lord cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.

    Isaiah 26:20-21

    The wrath of God will not come to the Elect Because the Elect obey God and Keep his commandments words and sayings John 14:14-23 John 8:43 they will suffer until all of this passes
    Are you justified by faith in Him and His righteousness, because that is what it means to obey the Gospel by the answer of a good conscience: believing in Jesus Christ. The rest is by faith in Him helping us live as His in loving others, even our enemies. That is how we get to know Him when we trust Him at His Word.

    And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? 14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
    Rev 7:13-14
    Those are the prodigal sons that got left behind at the rapture event. That is why they needed their robes washed white by the Blood of the Lamb.

    The Sheep Obey God and Keep His Commandments words and Sayings as Jesus said My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me John 10:26 Rev 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
    Those are the 144,000 witnesses described in Revelation 7

    The Goats are sinners, which will be taken and destroyed Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angelsMatthew 25:31-45
    That is the time of the last day judgment, after Satan had been loosed from the pit at the end of the 1000 year reign of Christ when the devil shall fail to rebel against His kingdom even after drawing many away to follow after him to do so. That judgment will be all encompassing over those not taken from any of the three harvests as in never bought with a price nor sealed as His.

    The Wrath of God is for those who do not Obey Gods commandments words and sayings JOhn 14:15-23 John 8:51 2 Thessalonians 1:8 John 8:53 Romans 1:18
    But do you know what they are specifically? 1 John 3:22-24

    thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. Rev 3:10
    That pretty much means escaping the great tribulation. This is God pruning the church to be ready so when judgment falls on the House of God first, they shall escape the hour of temptation that shall try all upon the earth: the great tribulation.

    Put ye in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe: come, get you down; for the press is full, the fats overflow; for their wickedness is great. Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision.
    The wayward shall be restored to the path of righteousness for His name's sake at His appearing as well as the prodigal sons that gave up their inheritance for wild living as God the Father will chasten every child He receives so that they may be partakers of His holiness even if it means being vessels unto dishonour in God's house when judgment falls on the House of God first: 1 Peter 4:17 Hebrews 12:1-29 1 Corinthians 3:10-23 2 Timothy 2:18-21

    Since no flesh shall glory in His presence, 1 Corinthians 1:19-31 1 Corinthians 3:10-23 , you might want to check with Jesus if any false pride is within you becauise as you judge, so will you be judged. That is why it is His righteousness that justifies us Romans 3:24-28 and why our hope is soley on Him 1 John 3:3 & Jude 1:24-25 and why the first shall be last and the last shall be first... as the chaste bride shall glory in the Lord for bringing us Home, thus there will be no stuck-ups taken to Heaven.

    We follow Jesus by faith as we are saved by faith. Psalm 100:3 Psalm 118:8
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    Are you justified by faith in Him and His righteousness, because that is what it means to obey the Gospel by the answer of a good conscience: believing in Jesus Christ. The rest is by faith in Him helping us live as His in loving others, even our enemies. That is how we get to know Him when we trust Him at His Word.

    Those are the prodigal sons that got left behind at the rapture event. That is why they needed their robes washed white by the Blood of the Lamb.
    It don't do any one any good to have faith without works

    What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
    James 2:14

    James 2

    Jesus Christ died to take away our sins because all has sinned this is the Work Jesus did so we come to Jesus by Faith beleiving in Jesus with out seeing him John 20:29 turning to him with a repented heart Joel 2:13 no longer walking after the Lusts of the Flesh Galatians 5:24



    crucifing the old man and his deeds through repentance Romans 6:6 making our self righteous 1 John 3:7 by the blood of the Lamb through repentance 2 Cor 7:10 2 Corinthians 13:5 every one will suffer in the flesh until they cease from sin 1 Peter 4:1 by obeying Gods Commandments words and sayings John 14:15-23 John 8:51 this is were our righteousness comes from, this is our Works for our Faith James 2:17

    Jesus is not going to make you righteous Revelation 22:11

    Jesus is not going to keep the Commandments words and sayings for you

    Jesus said Keep my Commandments John 14:15 Keep my Word John 14:23 Keep my Sayings John 8:51 Matt 7:24-27

    Jesus is not going to forgive your sins if you do not Repent and sin no more John 5:14 John 8:11 Hebrews 6:6 Revelation 2:5 Revelation 2:16 Revelation 3:3

    Jesus does not hear a sinners prayer John 9:31

    Jesus Does not know those who do not Keep his Commandments Words and sayings 2 Thessalonians 1:8 Matthew 22:37-39 Matthew 25:31-46 1 John 2:3-4

    Jesus does not Love those if the do not keep his commandemnts words and sayings John 14:21 John 15:10 John 14:23-24 Matt 7:24-27

    An hypocrite with his mouth destroyeth his neighbour Prov 11:9

    From Pariah Those are the prodigal sons that got left behind at the rapture event. That is why they needed their robes washed white by the Blood of the Lamb.
    The Progigal Son is a parables Mark 4:2 Matthew 13:13 the Progigal son Parable is Repentance Luke 15:10 It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found.Luke 15:32

    Jesus said I come after the Tribulation Matt 24:29-30 Mark 13:24-25

    not before not in the middle but after Matthew 24:29-30 And the meeting in the air take place when? AFTER the tribulation When is the Lord going to descend from heaven with a shout 1 Thess 4:16 After the Tribulations

    Now when will Jesus gather his Elect? in the middle or Before ?

    Jesus said After the TRIBULATIONS Jesus shall gather together his ELECT Matt 24:29-31

    1 Thessalonians 4:17 Now who are these Going to be alive and remaining? alive and Remaining form what? The Great Tribulations Revelation 7:14

    Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
    1 Thess 4:17 Now When is Jesus Coming? After the Tribulations Matt 24:29-30

    What will we do in this meeting?

    Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

    To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among

    them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of

    all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
    Jude 1:14-15


    the saints shall judge the world 1 Cor 6:2


    IF the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? 1 Cor 6:2

    You want to know what the Rapture really is? you really want to be taken?

    Jer 25:33 And the slain of the LORD shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth: they shall not be lamented, neither gathered, nor buried; they shall be dung upon the ground.

    Isaiah 34:3 - Their slain also shall be cast out, and their stink shall come up out of their carcases, and the mountains shall be melted with their blood. 4 And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll


    Now here comes the RAPTURE


    Jer 16:4 - They shall die of grievous deaths; they shall not be lamented; neither shall they be buried; but they shall be as dung upon the face of the earth: and they shall be consumed by the sword, and by famine; and their carcases shall be meat for the fowls of heaven, and for the beasts of the earth.

    Job 39:27- Doth the eagle mount up at thy command, and make her nest on high? 28 She dwelleth and abideth on the rock, upon the crag of the rock, and the strong place.

    From thence she seeketh the prey, and her eyes behold afar off. Her young ones also suck up blood: and where the slain are, there is she.

    As Jesus said

    Luke 17:36 - Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

    And they answered and said unto him,

    Where, Lord?

    And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

    Matt 24:27- For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

    For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the Eagles be gathered together.

    Isaiah 56:9 - All ye beasts of the field, come to devour, yea, all ye beasts in the forest.

    His watchmen are blind: they are all ignorant, they are all dumb dogs, they cannot bark; sleeping, lying down, loving to slumber.

    Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter.

    Come ye, say they, I will fetch wine, and we will fill ourselves with strong drink; and to morrow shall be as this day, and much more abundant.

    Jer 9:22 - Speak, Thus saith the LORD, Even the carcases of men shall fall as dung upon the open field, and as the handful after the harvestman, and none shall gather them.

    Rev 19:17- And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven,

    Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

    That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

    Rev 19:21 - And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

    Deut 28:24-The LORD shall make the rain of thy land powder and dust: from heaven shall it come down upon thee, until thou be destroyed. The LORD shall cause thee to be smitten before thine enemies: thou shalt go out one way against them, and flee seven ways before them: and shalt be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth. 26 And thy carcase shall be meat unto all fowls of the air, and unto the beasts of the earth, and no man shall fray them away Jeremiah 7:33

    There is going to be so many Raptured the Fouls of the mountains and the beasts of the earth

    and the fowls shall summer upon them

    and all the beasts of the earth shall winter upon them. Isaiah 18:6

    This is for all them sinners proclaiming there Christians They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.Titus 1:16

    For the congregation of hypocrites shall be desolate, and fire shall consume the tabernacles of bribery. They conceive mischief, and bring forth vanity, and their belly prepareth deceit. Job 15:34-35

    for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
    Matt 23:15

    but within are full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness. Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.Matt 23:27-28

    These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; 13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever. 14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

    15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. 16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage. Jude 1:12-16

    And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Matt 24:51

    Posted by Pariah Those are the 144,000 witnesses described in Revelation 7
    Yeal for the 144,000 but your leaveing out a scripture

    After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number,

    of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; 10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. Rev 7:9-10

    They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. 17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.
    Rev 7:16-17

    Jesus is Going to seal every one before this happens

    Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and

    thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
    Rev 3:3

    Posted by Pariah That is the time of the last day judgment, after Satan had been loosed from the pit at the end of the 1000 year reign of Christ when the devil shall fail to rebel against His kingdom even after drawing many away to follow after him to do so. That judgment will be all encompassing over those not taken from any of the three harvests as in never bought with a price nor sealed as His.
    When Jesus seals the 144,000 and them out of every nation is not the 1000 years but before the tribulation Rev 7:1-10 Satan is loosed from his prison after the 1000 year reign Revelation 20:7 for Gog and Magog Rev 20:8 and this is the final judgment when the dead will be Judged according to there works some Revelation 20:12 some the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.John 5:29

    Posted by Pariah But do you know what they are specifically? 1 John 3:22-24

    That pretty much means escaping the great tribulation. This is God pruning the church to be ready so when judgment falls on the House of God first, they shall escape the hour of temptation that shall try all upon the earth: the great tribulation.
    And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.1 John 3:22

    Those who see the Great Tribulations coming and keep the Commandments words and sayings of God will excape the the hour of temptation, in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision. for the press is full, the fats overflow; for their wickedness is great.

    Jesus warns us, Jesus said And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.

    For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man. Luke 21:34-36

    This is why the Scripture says

    But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.1 Thess 5:4-5

    Only those who keep the Commandments words and sayings of God is the Elect John 14:15-23 John 8:51 Revelation 14:12 and because we Keep the commandments words and sayings God will keep us from the hour of temptation

    as the Scripture says

    Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast. For, behold, the Lord cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.

    Isaiah 26:20-21

    A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee. Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked.Psalms 91:7-8

    The fear of man bringeth a snare: but whoso putteth his trust in the Lord shall be safe.Prov 29:25


    Posted by Pariah That pretty much means escaping the great tribulation. This is God pruning the church to be ready so when judgment falls on the House of God first, they shall escape the hour of temptation that shall try all upon the earth: the great tribulation.
    The Church is in Israel

    Jesus said this is the beginning of the Tribulations, When Jerusalem is compassed with armies Matthew 24:16-22

    And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. Luke 21:20

    Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

    17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

    18 let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. 19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

    20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

    Now Jesus is telling these people in Judaea to flee into the mountains, because God has a place prepared in the wilderness, this is the Church Jesus is talking about


    In Zech 14:1-5 tells them to flee into the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

    And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
    Rev 12:14 (KJV)

    The Church Rev 12:6 Rev 12:14

    This is when Satan is Cast down, because the Church is reborn,

    And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Rev 12:9 (KJV)

    And you think the Church is not going to go through the great tribulations thats not what the scripture says Revelation 12:13-17

    Listen to this Revelation 12



    Posted by Pariah The wayward shall be restored to the path of righteousness for His name's sake at His appearing as well as the prodigal sons that gave up their inheritance for wild living as God the Father will chasten every child He receives so that they may be partakers of His holiness even if it means being vessels unto dishonour in God's house when judgment falls on the House of God first: 1 Peter 4:17 Hebrews 12:1-29 1 Corinthians 3:10-23 2 Timothy 2:18-21
    No one is going to be restored, if you are a sinner you will remain a sinner when Jesus comes,

    He that is unjust, let him be unjust still:

    and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still:

    and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still:

    and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

    And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.Rev 22:11-12

    you are hot or your cold if you are lukewarm Jesus will spue you out of his mouth Revelation 3:16

    the prodigal sons is a parables about repentance Mark 4:2 Matthew 13:13 if you wait until the day of the Lord you will be Lost you will die in your sins Isaiah 13:9

    Seek ye the Lord while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near
    Isaiah 55:6

    Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord:

    And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the Lord, and shall not find it. Amos 8:11-12

    For what is the hope of the hypocrite, though he hath gained, when God taketh away his soul? 9*Will God hear his cry when trouble cometh upon him? 10*Will he delight himself in the Almighty? will he always call upon God?
    Job 27:8-10

    There they cry, but none giveth answer, because of the pride of evil men. 13*Surely God will not hear vanity, neither will the Almighty regard it.
    Job 35:12-13

    Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me: 29*For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the LORD: 30*They would none of my counsel: they despised all my reproof. 31*Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices. 32*For the turning away of the simple shall slay them, and the prosperity of fools shall destroy them.
    Prov 1:28-

    Therefore thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will bring evil upon them, which they shall not be able to escape; and though they shall cry unto me, I will not hearken unto them. Jer 11:11

    Posted by Pariah Since no flesh shall glory in His presence, 1 Corinthians 1:19-31 1 Corinthians 3:10-23 , you might want to check with Jesus if any false pride is within you becauise as you judge, so will you be judged. That is why it is His righteousness that justifies us Romans 3:24-28 and why our hope is soley on Him 1 John 3:3 & Jude 1:24-25 and why the first shall be last and the last shall be first... as the chaste bride shall glory in the Lord for bringing us Home, thus there will be no stuck-ups taken to Heaven.

    We follow Jesus by faith as we are saved by faith. Psalm 100:3 Psalm 118:8
    That why they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit
    Gal 5:24-25 We crucify our old man through repentance by True repentance by going an sinning no more John 5:14 John 8:11

    puting off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

    cleansing ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God. 2 Corinthians 7:1

    Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: 6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience: 7 In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.Colossians 3:5-7

    This is why Repentance worketh twards salvation 2 Cor 7:10

    I'm Glad you know by reading this word you are judged already by the WORD OF GOD by reading this you cant say LORD i did not know.

    why do you think the Scriptures says

    That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world; 16 Holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoice in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain. Phil 2:15-16

    why do you think the Scripture says

    Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel. 1 Cor 9:14

    Every one is going to make there self ready to meet the LORD Jesus is not going to take away your sins you will suffer in the Flesh until you cease from Sin 1 Peter 4:1 if you have Sin when the LORD come you will be LOST Revelation 22:11
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elijah_101 View Post
    It don't do any one any good to have faith without works

    What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
    James 2:14
    That reference was about those abusing the poor whenever the "church" were getting out of helping the poor by issuing faith in God's Providence towards the poor "to be warm and to be filled", and yet departing not from the bounty collected to meet those needs towards the poor. From the eyes of the poor to the issuers of faith in God's Providence, the faith in God's Providence from those issuers was dead, seeing how they were not departing from the bounty collected of what the church does not need immediately to meet the immediate needs of the poor that are about to suffer from the elements and starvation.

    This is the reference about how faith without works is dead in context. It was in regards to issuing faith in God's Providence that those that issue such faith should practise it lest in the eyes of the poor, that faith in God's Providence is seen as dead.

    When does faith profit? It doesn't. So read it in context, brother. Verse 14 is setting the precedent for how a church was mistreating the poor.

    James 2: 14What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? 15If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 16And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? 17Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 18Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

    So whenever a believer or a church issues faith in God's Providence, they should be showing that faith in God's Providence and not using that faith in getting out of helping the poor.

    The word "profit" sets the precedent for faith without works as it cannot be applied towards salvation because it was referring to God's Providence.

    This below is about faith towards salvation:

    Romans 4: 1What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? 2For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. 3For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. 4Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. 6Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, 7Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. 8Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

    Romans 3: 19Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 20Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. 21But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. 27Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. 28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pariah View Post
    That reference was about those abusing the poor whenever the "church" were getting out of helping the poor by issuing faith in God's Providence towards the poor "to be warm and to be filled", and yet departing not from the bounty collected to meet those needs towards the poor. From the eyes of the poor to the issuers of faith in God's Providence, the faith in God's Providence from those issuers was dead, seeing how they were not departing from the bounty collected of what the church does not need immediately to meet the immediate needs of the poor that are about to suffer from the elements and starvation.
    It all comes down to this By keeping the Commandments words and sayings of God John 14:15-23 John 8:51

    But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected1 John 2:5

    This is our works for our Faith

    AS the Scripture says

    Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

    But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

    Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

    Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

    And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

    Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

    Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?

    For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.James 2:19-26

    Saying I don't need works, and yet they are fulfilling the works of the flesh Galatians 5:19-21

    saying all I got to do is believe in Jesus and i don't got to do nothing Matthew 10:38 1 Peter 4:1 John 14:15-23 John 8:51 1 John 2:5 1 John 3:18

    I can sin every day John 8:34 1 John 3:8 John 8:44,

    I can divorce remarry Luke 16:18 , Mark 10:12 Romans 7:3

    I can fulfil all my lusts and all my desires i can even fulfill all my fantasy saying life is short and at the end of the day, God I sinned forgive me John 9:31 and they do it all over again 2 Peter 2:22 Hebrews 10:38

    and brag to your friends how great it was preaching good times Galatians 5:9

    and say yelp ahhhh i know i'm going to heaven
    Ephesians 5:5 1 Cor 6:9-10 Gal 5:19-21 Rev 21:8 Rev 21:27 Matt 13:41

    saying to every one come I pray you hear the words of the Lord

    and they sit before God as his people, and they hear thy words, but they will not do them: for with their mouth they shew much love, but their heart goeth after their covetousness.

    ye outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.Matt 23:28

    full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness. Matt 23:27

    saying unto the wicked thou are righteous

    Which justify the wicked for reward, and take away the righteousness of the righteous from him!

    which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God. Luke 16:15

    drinking iniquity like water saying in his heart God as forgotten he is hiding his face he will never see it, I shall never be moved, I shall never be an adversity.

    saying come I will fetch wine, and we will fill ourselves with strong drink; and to morrow shall be as this day, and much more abundant.

    speaking great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.

    While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.2 Peter 2:18-19

    speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption; 13 And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you; 14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children2 Peter 2:12-14

    spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; 13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

    And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

    To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage. Jude 1:12-16


    ANd when you give warning they will not convience so the Lord will convience them


    And the Scripture says

    Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. 8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption Gal 6:7-8

    That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God Romans 9:8


    I pretty much already know what you are going to say

    Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost Titus 3:5

    It does not mattor what kind of works we have done there is nothing we can do we cannot forgive our own sins, we come to Christ because we Believe that he is the Son of God we Believe in him without seeing John 20:29 we know through Jesus Christ we will have EverLasting life, because Christ died for us wile we were yet sinners Romans 5:8 to free us from the bongage of sin Romans 8:15 that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.2 Tim 2:26 because He that committeth sin is of the devil 1 John 3:8

    Now we come to Christ by Faith we prove our self to him by our own selves by OBEDIENCE 2 Corinthians 13:5 we come to Jesus by repentance in Godly sorrow 2 Cor 7:10 not by renwing our repentance but by going on to PERFECTION Hebrews 6:1 coming boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need. Heb 4:16 that we can get forgivness for our sins that we can be washed and regenerated,and through our OBEDIENCE to God by Obeying him and keeping His commandments words and sayings JOhn 14:15-23 1 John 2:3 we Get Renewed of the Holy Spirit

    as the Scripture says

    we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him. Acts 5:32 John 14:15-26


    if you remain in sin you will NEVER be forgive and you will NEVER be under Grace, Grace ans sin does not abound Romans 6:1-2 and you will NEVER Recieve the Gift of the Holy Ghost, God cannot live in sin a defiled temple
    1 Corinthians 3:17 John 8:34 Matthew 6:24 1 John 3:8 John 8:44

    Jesus said Go and sin no more John 5:14 John 8:14 and God does not Hear a Sinners Prayer John 9:31 so it don't do any good to ask or confess your sins sins to the FATHER Repentace Worketh twards salvation 2 Cor 7:10 Romans 9:8 Romans 8:5 Romans 8:8 Romans 8:12-14 Galatians 5:24 Galatians 6:8

    not by going back and renewing your repentance Hebrews 6:1

    But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire. 2 Peter 2:22

    It would be better for you not to know God 2 Peter 2:19-21

    when you renew your repentance you crucify the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. Heb 6:6

    how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

    For we know him that hath said,

    Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

    It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. Heb 10:29-31

    Posted by Pariah Romans 4:1
    For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. 14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect: 15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

    Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

    17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were. 18 Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be.

    And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sara's womb: 20 not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God; 21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform. 22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.

    23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; 24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; 25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.Romans 4:13-25

    Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. 7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. 8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. 9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. Gal 3:6-9

    As you can see from the Scriptures above, it was not accounted to all those before Moses, to keep the Law, Through there obedience they were made Righteous, Because they believed God

    Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

    Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

    And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.


    Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.


    Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?

    For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.James 2:20-26


    Posted by Pariah Romans 3:19
    We have Jesus now, we are under a New covenant, That God will put His laws into our Hearts, and put his Laws in our Minds Heb 10:16

    Keeping the Commandments Words and Sayings of God, is our Works for our Faith, That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Romans 8:4-5


    If you Do not obey God, and do not keep the Commandments Words and Sayings of God, You commit sin this Brings you under the law,

    as the Scripture says

    Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. Romans 3:20

    Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.1 John 3:4

    Because the Law is made for Sinners 1 Tim 1:9, all those who Transgress the Commandments words and sayings, are not under Grace, because Grace and Sin does not about Romans 6:1-2, but they are Under the Law, because of there Trangression

    If you do not have Any Works for your Faith, your Faith is Dead James 20:26

    The Scriptures says, that No sinner will enter into the Kingdom of God Galatians 5:19 1 Cor 6:1o Eph 5:5 Rev 21:8

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    AS I said Elijah(interesting you use a jewish prophet ) you go through the wrath of God we the church the body of Chrsit is promised no wrath of God , so endure to the end and we will come with Christ and judge

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    Quote Originally Posted by onesiphorus View Post
    AS I said Elijah(interesting you use a jewish prophet ) you go through the wrath of God we the church the body of Chrsit is promised no wrath of God , so endure to the end and we will come with Christ and judge
    Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also Romans 3:29

    those who are gentile confess Jesus Christ and Obey all His commandments words and sayings John 14:15-23 John 8:51 1 John 2:5 they are a Jew inwardly and their circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.Romans 2:29

    making them of Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.Gal 3:28-29

    Making them the Elect a Saint and the Saints shall judge the world when the Lord Comes 1 Corinthians 6:2 Jude 1:14-15

    They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.

    For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.Rev 7:16-17

    But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath

    Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; 10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
    ,

    For there is no respect of persons with God.
    Romans 2:8-11
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    Elijah_101:

    Faith that comes from God has His Spirit working in and through those who are His saints, according to His will, to produce good works that are of His doing (Ephesians 2:5-10; Philippians 2:12, 13).

    We work out our own salvation BECAUSE it is God who is at work in us both to will and to do according to His good pleasure. That is what the word "FOR" means in v. 13 of the Philippians passage.

    Those who are God's will be doing that which is His will, because He is the One who is working in and through them to do so.

    If being perfect were the way to get to heaven, we would not need His Spirit of truth in us teaching, leading, and guiding us into all truth.

    As for the rapture - well, that is not a doctrine that is central to salvation, but one which is worthy of study.

    However, if you believe in a salvation of works, you are in danger (Romans 11:5, 6).

    Also, teaching that salvation is according to works is contrary to this site's statement of faith - we believe Jesus Christ alone is the Author and Perfecter of our faith, and so, our salvation - we work, because it is He who is at work in and through us (Hebrews 12:1, 2).

    Please consider this a loving admonishment, and refrain from teaching salvation by works.

    In His love,

    Bill
    GOD IS MOST GLORIFIED IN US WHEN WE ARE MOST SATISFIED IN HIM.

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    Hello Bill

    I can understand if i was useing my own words but i'm not useing my words but Gods Words if you feel what I am saying with the word of God is wrong, you can show me were I'm wrong after all this is a debate, to Learn about God, I will show you why I beleive the way i do with Scripture


    Originally Posted by marcelle19 Faith that comes from God has His Spirit working in and through those who are His saints, according to His will, to produce good works that are of His doing

    faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Romans 10:17



    Jesus Don't do it for us

    Jesus said Keep my Commandments John 14:14

    keep my Words John 14:23 1 John 2:5

    Keep my Sayings John 8:51 Matt 7:24-27

    this is our works for our faith, if yo do not do this your faith is dead James 2:19-26

    and His Saints does these things

    Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.Rev 14:12

    Showing their love to Jesus in Truth and in deed 1 John 3:18

    Posted by marcelle19 Ephesians 2:5-10
    For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. Eph 2:8-10

    Now, Jesus Died for Me You and the Whole World, There is No Work we can do, we cannot Forgive our Own Sins,

    And by this, We Come to Jesus by Faith, And We Repent and Sin no more John 8:11 and by this we are Forgiven and we are Under Grace


    by grace ye are saved Eph 2:5

    What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2 God forbid.
    Romans 6:1

    But when you Remain in Your Sins, you are NOT under Grace, you are Still In your Sins, As it is Written Grace and Sin Does not Abound Ro 6:1

    When we Come To Jesus, Repent of all off our Sinful Works of the Flesh,

    That ye present your bodies a living sacrifice , holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.Romans 12:1-2

    There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
    Romans 8:1


    Posted by marcelle19 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.Phil 2:13
    What did God say?

    15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, 16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them
    Heb 10:15-16

    A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

    And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
    Ezek 36:26-27

    because you keep Gods Commandments Words and Sayings therefore Becomeing Perfect Heb 6:1, This is Why Jesus Said be ye therefore Perfect Even as Your Heavenly Father which is in Heaven is Perfect.

    Now we know that if we are Righteous as God is, we cannot Sin , For his Seed Is in us, which is the Word of God ,If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Gal 5:25 we cannot Sin 1 John 3:6 John 5:14 John 8:11 , But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: 1 John 2:5

    The law of his God is in his heart; none of his steps shall slide. Psalms 37:31


    If any One Refuses the operation of his hands.
    Isaiah 5:12

    Therefore Hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it. Isaiah 5:14

    Give them according to their deeds, and according to the wickedness of their endeavours: give them after the work of their hands; render to them their desert. 5 Because they regard not the works of the LORD, nor the operation of his hands, he shall destroy them, and not build them up.
    Psalms 28:4-5


    For the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?

    Therefore also now, saith the LORD,

    turn ye even to me with all your heart, and with fasting, and with weeping, and with mourning: 13 And rend your heart, and not your garments, and turn unto the LORD your God: for he is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repenteth him of the evil. Who knoweth if he will return and repent, and leave a blessing behind him
    Joel 2:11-


    Posted by marcelle19 If being perfect were the way to get to heaven, we would not need His Spirit of truth in us teaching, leading, and guiding us into all truth.
    This is Why People Sin Daily, They Walk after the Lusts of the Flesh, Because if you walk in the Flesh you will Sin and so

    They cannot Help but to Sin and stumble along the way,LUSTING After their neighbor's nice house or car or wife allureing through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness , Thinking Christ Makes you Perfect,

    Thinking of Vanity of vanities , all the Days of your Life until you come unto the Knowledge Of the Son of God, The ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous. For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish. Ps 1:4 -

    Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? Galatians 3:3

    Gal 5:17

    We know that as Long as we Walk in the FLESH will Will Continue in Sin

    This is Why you Sin Daily, and we cant Help but not to Sin, Because Nothing Good comes out of the FLESH but Sin

    , This is Why The Word of God Tells us, that as LONG as we walk after the Flesh we CANNOT Please God - Romans 8:9

    Because we will Continue in Sin, Sin Separators Man From God, In Romans 8:9 Tells us that if we Walk in the Flesh That God cannot Dwell in you, Because of Sin, and if you do not have the Spirit of Christ you are none of His-

    Wherefore know we no man after the flesh. Romans 8:9 , 2 Cor 5:16^ -

    For when you walk in Flesh Which is Sin you Soe Corruptions to your Self, Gal 6:8 , Which is Death Because of Sin, This is Why In Romans 8:13 -For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die.

    For the wages of sin is death Ro 6:23

    We Must walk in the Spirit To serve God in Truth, For God is a Spirit -John 4:24 -

    In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. - It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. John 1:1-2 - John 6:63

    John 1:1-2 - John 4:24 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. Gal 5:16-

    Now if we Walk in the Spirit we Walk in Life Ro 8:13 Which is the Word of God, Which Means you will keep and Do all Gods Commandments Words and Sayings, this is why When you walk in the Spirit you Cannot Sin

    because you keep Gods Commandments Words and Sayings therefore Becomeing Perfect,

    We Walk in the Spirit, Which is the Word of God, We Cannot Sin , 1 John 3:6 John 5:14 John 8:11 1 John 3:9 1 John 5:18 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Gal 5:25 , But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: 1 John 2:5 , 1 John 2:29 John 3:6 -


    Jesus Walk in the Word of God, So Ought we , Walk as Jesus Walked

    This is why Jesus said Be ye therefore Perfect,even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

    Because you Walk in the Spirit for Godly Sorrow worketh Repenance not to be Repented of. But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; 16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy. 1 Peter 1:15-16

    For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:
    1 Peter 2:21-22


    This is why in 2 Timothy 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.


    But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.
    James 1:4


    The Flocks of Jesus follow his foot steps walking in the Spirit obeying God Keeping his commandments words and sayings John 14:15-23 John 8:51 in this our love is perfected to God 1 John 2:5, In this we can say we know God 1 John 2:3, in this we abide in the doctrine of Christ, and we have both the Father and the Son. 2 John 1:9

    My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me John 10:27, Do you hear Jesus calling, are you walking in the foot steps of Jesus Christ, or all you walking the walk of man, walking after the lusts of the flesh, or are you walking in the Spirit keeping the commandments words and sayings of God

    The Sheep Obey God and keep his commandments words and sayings John 14:15-23

    Showing their love to God in deeds and in truth 1 John 3:18

    The Goats are those who do not know God and all those who hears the Word and will not do them Matthew 25:32-33

    They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate. Titus 1:16
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    Posted by marcelle19 As for the rapture - well, that is not a doctrine that is central to salvation, but one which is worthy of study.
    Jesus said he comes after the Tribulations Matthew 24:29-30 the meeting in the air takes place after the tribulations this is when he gathers his elect 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 as it says in Matthew 24:31 to do judgment as it says in Jude 1:14-16

    Posted by marcelle19 However, if you believe in a salvation of works, you are in danger (Romans 11:5, 6).
    God is Talking to Jews he not speaking to the GENTILES Romans 1:1-11 because their Gifts and callings are without Repentance they are the firstfruits Jeremiah 2:3 Romans 11:26-32 all the Jews has got to do is Believe in Jesus Christ and they are Grafted back on the olive tree Romans 11:19

    Posted by marcelle19 Also, teaching that salvation is according to works is contrary to this site's statement of faith - we believe Jesus Christ alone is the Author and Perfecter of our faith, and so, our salvation - we work, because it is He who is at work in and through us (Hebrews 12:1, 2).

    Please consider this a loving admonishment, and refrain from teaching salvation by works.
    Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin. 5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him: 6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. 7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? 8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons. Heb 12:4-8

    Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
    Gal 6:7

    If you do not Keep the Commandments Words and sayings your faith is dead James 2:19-26 because this is our works for our faith

    what you have is the Works of the Flesh

    Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. 7 1 John 3:4-7

    Now the works of the flesh are manifest,

    which are these;

    Adultery,
    fornication,
    uncleanness,
    lasciviousness,
    Idolatry,
    witchcraft,
    hatred,
    variance,
    emulations,
    wrath,
    strife,
    seditions,
    heresies,
    Envyings,
    murders,
    drunkenness,
    revellings,

    and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.Gal 5:19-21

    And Believe me When Jesus Comes he will reward every man according to his works Matthew 16:27


    2 Cor 5:10 - For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ;

    that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. 11*Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

    Col 3:24 - Knowing that of the Lord ye shall receive the reward of the inheritance: for ye serve the Lord Christ. 25*But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done: and there is no respect of persons.

    despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

    But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
    Who will render to every man according to his deeds Romans

    2:4-6

    Rev 20:11-And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

    *And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life:

    and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

    And the sea gave up the dead which were in it;

    and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them:

    and they were judged every man according to their works. 14*And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15*And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

    When Jesus Returns if you have Sin in your life you will Remain in them their is no 2nd chances as the Scriptures says

    Rev 22:11- He that is unjust, let him be unjust still:

    and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still:

    and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still:

    and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

    *And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

    so if you dont have any works for your faith were will you stand on the on the Left and Jesus will say Matthew 25:32-46

    Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.
    Luke 13:26-27

    For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. James 2:26

    Matthew 13:41
    Last edited by Elijah_101; 09-03-2009 at 09:04 PM.

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