Iran is getting Ready.

[Crooner]

I don't have a problem with Iran having a nuclear weapon for self defence, it is a sovereign nation with an elected government. If the American government threatens millions of Iranian people with Nuclear attack then Iran has a right to defend itself. You have insane Congressmen openly saying " Nuke em ". They really do want to kill millions of people.

Why threaten a nation that has not attacked America, who cares if they have a nuclear weapon, America faced down the USSR, which had 40,000 nuclear weapons.

Iran is not another Iraq cake walk, Iran has an enormous defence capability now, with advanced Russian equipment, it would be a very very big mistake to attack Iran. Iran has a fully integrated air defence system capable of destroying even stealth aircraft Iran would truly be the land of leaping Humvee.

If you were an American you would know what we mean. Weve had to fight for freedom. It doesnt come cheap. Someone is always going to challenge us. We have fought for freedom for a lot of countries in this world and they have a short memory.

America shouldn't be in Iraq or 130 other nations with all their military power. One thing is, it is sending America broke, One Trillion a year is getting spent on foreign soil. That money should be spent in America, by bringing all the troops home. Imagine an extra trillion dollars a year getting pumped back into the domestic economy.
They could bring home 530,000 defence personel to defend Americas borders.
Anyone can walk across Americas southern or northern borders, its a bit strange considering there is supposed to be a war on terror, and the government hasn't bothered to secure the borders.

America is way to weak to attack Iran, the military is spent just policing Iraq. Its time to save American lives, come home, live in peace and defend the borders. If some nation is then stupid enough to attack America, then America has the right to smite.

If America consentrates on its domestic issues and stays within its borders it will recover its strength, its pride, and the respect all nations.

Right now the defence assessment says that America is so weak militarily and economically that it is coming to the end of its dominance, and will soon collapse. That would be a disaster, and is in no ones interests.

America is making the exact same mistake as the Roman Empire, and the Empire will contract either by choice or by collapse.

If by this some might infer that I am anti American they would be wrong, I'm pro America, infact I would be a Conservative Republican Constitutionalist, if I lived in America.

Lambsy

If you were an American you would know what we mean. We've had to fight for freedom. It doesnt come cheap. Someone is always going to challenge us. We have fought for freedom for a lot of countries in this world and they have a short memory. We would rather die than be subjected to communism or other forms of crazy governments. We would even die for your freedom Lambsy.

[Lambsy]

Lambsy

If you were an American you would know what we mean. We've had to fight for freedom. It doesnt come cheap. Someone is always going to challenge us. We have fought for freedom for a lot of countries in this world and they have a short memory. We would rather die than be subjected to communism or other forms of crazy governments. We would even die for your freedom Lambsy.

I know exactly what you are saying brother, the Australians have fought right along side America for a long time, and we still are.
But we are dealing with a very cunning enemy that wants to weaken us first, and then attack us when we are vulnerable.
We can stop attacks on our own soil, but we can't be scattered everywhere on earth.

We must be real smart and fix our economies, and beef up our aging military hardware. Europe is not pulling its weight, America is doing all the heavy lifting, so if America pulls out, it will force those soft pugy eurocrats to harden up.

We have got to remember our history lessons and think strategically.

Let them try come to us and bottle neck them on one front, if we fight on 50 fronts we loose. Hitler lost on only two fronts, and he had an 18 million man war machine. So its smarter to fight on one front, history teaches over and over again.
Pick your fights and choose your ground, thats what weakens and disadvantages your enemy. I'd rather see Russia and China having long protracted expensive wars in dust bowl nations, than us in there weakening everyday.
Thats why it was the Australians that first turned the Japanese back in their first military defeat. We drew them into the New guinea jungles until their supply lines were to thin, then we cut them off and killed them. Until that time no one had defeated the Japanese in a single battle anywhere.

These small dust bowl nations aren't the real enemy, they can't project military power to our home soils, its the Russians and Chinese that can.

Can you see why the Russian and Chinese generals are laughing at us.

[GloryB]

I think you make some very valid points Lambsy! I just don't know that in the end if it will matter much one way or another.

For over a couple of years, Russia has been trying to negotiate with Iran to enrich its uranium on Russian territory. China is also helping Iran develop nuclear arms. There is a cold war going on anyway.

[iouJC]

Originally Posted by Lambsy

I don't have a problem with Iran having a nuclear weapon for self defence, it is a sovereign nation with an elected government.

Yes, but I DO!
Unfortunately nuclear weapons make countries a danger to the world. And Iran has repeatedly said they will destroy Israel. They have also repeatedly threatened the US. They have, as their leader, a man who was very involved with taking civilians as hostages in the last Gulf War. Is that someone you think can handle the responsiblity of having the power to destroy the world? Islam, which includes Iran, has stated their ultimate goal is to take over the world. These are not people that I feel can handle the responsiblity of a nuclear arsenal. Especially considering how they treat females and children.

[canny]

There are so many nuclear weapons in the flippin world we could all have one each...... I think its best to have none !.. there would be nothing Christian in having a nuclear weapon, There would be nothing Christian in sending to any country a nuclear weapon,,,, no war on any front would be fought...... and I am going down the pub, if I ever see that mushroom cloud appear... (well if I have the time to get there) I pray that this country is never ever tempted to press that button no matter what !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! its evil.

[Jon-Marc]

I'm not concerned. Whatever happens it's all in God's capable hands.

[Lambsy]

Originally Posted by Lambsy


Yes, but I DO!
Unfortunately nuclear weapons make countries a danger to the world. And Iran has repeatedly said they will destroy Israel. They have also repeatedly threatened the US. They have, as their leader, a man who was very involved with taking civilians as hostages in the last Gulf War. Is that someone you think can handle the responsiblity of having the power to destroy the world? Islam, which includes Iran, has stated their ultimate goal is to take over the world. These are not people that I feel can handle the responsiblity of a nuclear arsenal. Especially considering how they treat females and children.

Why is Iran seeking nuclear weapons in the first place ? It might be the fact that Israel has 300 atomic weapons, which is enough to kill the entire region.

The Iranians fear Israel and America attacking them preemptively with nuclear weapons, they have actually said that openly in Congress and in the Israeli government.

Say your nation didn't have nuclear weapons and another nation was threatening you with nuclear weapons, what would you do ? The Iranians first motivation is fear and survival.

I beleive either everyone has nuclear weapons or no one has nuclear weapons. I don't believe any nuclear power is reponsible enough to have nuclear weapons. These are weapons of mass genocide, and I have even heard christians saying that they should be used preemptively on Iran.

It was the American CIA and British intelligence that radicalized Islam in this region. It was the CIA and Mi6 that destroyed a flourishing democracy in Iran when they nationalized their oil.
Iran was seen as a friendly oil producing democracy that was sick of British petroleum interests taking all their resources and leaving them with nothing but poverty.
It was the CIA and Mi6 that armed saddam and told him to attack Iran, because Iran had nationalized oil resources, and still does. Millions died in that horrible War, Iran was only defending itself.
They arranged a coup, and destroyed that democracy, because it nationalized its own oil resources.

When the Shar was deposed by the people, then in came the radical Islamic government.

Who created this mess ? People only look at the situation now, and not what caused it. Iran has been raped and abused by the major powers since it was created, is it any wonder it has the government it has today.

I don't like the Iranian government, but I understand it, I know what caused it, I know its sad history.

Do the American and British government want to attack Iran because it is attempting to create nuclear weapons, or because Iran has a nationalized oil resource, and is selling its oil in euros.

Iran has a nationalized oil resource.
Iran is selling oil for euros( which is what saddam did ), which is devaluing the US dollar.
If Iran has nuclear weapons, no one can stop them from continuing to sell oil in euros, thus the US economy would be threatened with collapse.

I don't mind Iran having a nuclear weapon, in the same way I don't mind if a woman who has been raped and bashed for decades, deciding to get a 357 magnum.

If every nation had nuclear weapons, what a respectful world we would live in.

[Lambsy]

If people want to simplify things down to Iran bad, US, Britain, Australia good, thats ok, no one is forcing you to study history.

You could say " They hate us because we are free and good. "

Or you could closely examine history and see the mischeif that western nations have perpetrated in these regions, to secure oil interests.

Has anyone thought about the complete lies that were told about WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION in Iraq ( Or has that lesson been freshly forgotten). Oil interests do not care if millions die to secure the oil.

America Britain and Australia, are villagers that do not question where their hunters get their meat from.
The corporations and oil companies are those hunters, and the hunters eat first. The villagers are completely dependant on the hunters, and what ever the hunters do in the name of the villagers is just fine, just so long as the meat keeps coming in.

Do the oil companies want you to have electric cars, and wouldn't that mean you no longer need them, they would become irrelevent. They would loose both money and control, they want you to be dependant on the meat they provide.
Do the corporations want you be independant of the power grid, living off solar power, living simply, growing your own food, and not being a mass consumer.
Do these corporations want you to have Christian principles that question where the meat comes from and how they got it.

Are corporations relying on western culture abandoning Christian social teaching, and desiring more greed, products, resources. How much more can we have than we already have ?

[Crooner]

Lamsey
Its obvious you only listen to liberal news. If you get a chance listen to Shawn Hannity in the afternoon on am raiio or his tv show. Liberals call in like a broken record and say exactly what your saying. You should be in a liberal debate with liberals on a liberal site. Liberals seem to always re write history.
The whole world had same info that Bush and now liberals are forgeting that as well as other countries. Your preaching to the wrong crowd here.

[streetsinger]

People say that Saddam Hussein had no weapons of mass destruction. Tell that to the Kurds who were hanging dead over the fences of their gardens and lying in the streets of their villages, men women and children. I'm sure the Iraq army did not go in with individual spray cans. I'm not saying whether or not the war was a wise move, but to say there was no weapons of mass destruction flies in the face of the facts.