tithing

[Steveg]

Steveg, I never said that one has to tithe, I said that, in my experience the promise is a reality. If you choose not to put God to the test, that's your prerogative. As to separating the old and new testaments;
2 Tim. 3:16 (ANIV)
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
I did say at the outset that the issue of tithing is a controversial subject, but I will put my point and maybe someone will head it. I have noticed, in debate that the one subject that causes consternation, is the subject that calls us to part with our money.
Matthew 6:24 (ANIV)
"No-one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money.

Streetsinger,

As you said I will put my point. I didn't mean my comments to be personally directed to you but to the issue of tithing that is presented by "prosperity gospel" advocates as obligatory.

All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness but scripture should not be misapplied, which is what I think proponants of obligatory tithing do by quoting OT laws applicable to the Jewish covenant.

As it happens I do tithe because I find it a useful guideline for giving, not just to a church but, as in your example, for doing God's work in other ways.

God bless

winsome

[streetsinger]

Streetsinger,

As you said I will put my point. I didn't mean my comments to be personally directed to you but to the issue of tithing that is presented by "prosperity gospel" advocates as obligatory.

All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness but scripture should not be misapplied, which is what I think proponants of obligatory tithing do by quoting OT laws applicable to the Jewish covenant.

As it happens I do tithe because I find it a useful guideline for giving, not just to a church but, as in your example, for doing God's work in other ways.

God bless

winsome

Steveg, One only has to tune in to the God channel to see your point made but the people who perpetrate these deceits are not Christians neither are their churches. We share as Christians to Christians, and as you say, we are in agreement. bless you too.

[Jay Dub]

Streetsinger thanks for the kind words and I think it is a great Idea! to bank your tithe , I never thought about it that way before

I sometimes forget the depth of the love our Father has for us, until I see the actions of my children and I see and feel how much I love them. My daughter did something so simple, that maybe some would not have noticed, but I could not have been more proud

Standing on a cashier line at a local shop, a man with a little boy were standing in front of her, As they were paying for their things they fell short and did not have enough money. The father turned to his son and said that he was sorry he did not have enough to buy the ball, but would buy it for him the next time they came. With that they paid and left. My daughter paid for her things and said to the cashier, I would like to buy that ball. She paid and went out of the store. She walked over to the car, she saw the boy and her father get into, the window was open and she tossed the ball into the boys lap, waved to the dad and walked away

As I said, I could not have been more proud, this reminded me of how our Father must look at us. I don’t think it is always about the amount we give but, about our heart and our intentions

I think it is quite possible that the things we have done in our lives and have though nothing of, our Father is saying I couldn't’t be more proud.



Luk 6:38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.

Its an oldie but it is still good, well I still enjoy it

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[streetsinger]

Streetsinger thanks for the kind words and I think it is a great Idea! to bank your tithe , I never thought about it that way before

I sometimes forget the depth of the love our Father has for us, until I see the actions of my children and I see and feel how much I love them. My daughter did something so simple, that maybe some would not have noticed, but I could not have been more proud

Standing on a cashier line at a local shop, a man with a little boy were standing in front of her, As they were paying for their things they fell short and did not have enough money. The father turned to his son and said that he was sorry he did not have enough to buy the ball, but would buy it for him the next time they came. With that they paid and left. My daughter paid for her things and said to the cashier, I would like to buy that ball. She paid and went out of the store. She walked over to the car, she saw the boy and her father get into, the window was open and she tossed the ball into the boys lap, waved to the dad and walked away

As I said, I could not have been more proud, this reminded me of how our Father must look at us. I don’t think it is always about the amount we give but, about our heart and our intentions

I think it is quite possible that the things we have done in our lives and have though nothing of, our Father is saying I couldn't’t be more proud.



Luk 6:38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.

Its an oldie but it is still good, well I still enjoy it

The imperials bread upon the water
YouTube - The imperials Live Bread Upon The water

Your story regarding your daughter moved me Jay Dub, I'd never thought of how God feels towards us in these matters. I've always given it in obedience to the word and because it gives me satisfaction to know that someones need is met. To know it pleases God makes it even more important and special. Thanks. Trevor. (Good song).

[kevinmiller]

That's a really cool idea about saving it to use for those in need. I never thought about that. I'm also of the opinion that tithing was part of the OT law and is not a strict requirement for us in the church age. I very often wonder just how my money is serving anyone when it goes to pay for the pastor's salary or the church sound system. I don't have a problem with those things and perhaps some people are called to be full-time pastors but there is nothing in the Bible that would indicate that pastors(elders) quit their jobs and did nothing but come up with sermons and witness to people on the bus all week.

[Steveg]

That's a really cool idea about saving it to use for those in need. I never thought about that. I'm also of the opinion that tithing was part of the OT law and is not a strict requirement for us in the church age. I very often wonder just how my money is serving anyone when it goes to pay for the pastor's salary or the church sound system. I don't have a problem with those things and perhaps some people are called to be full-time pastors but there is nothing in the Bible that would indicate that pastors(elders) quit their jobs and did nothing but come up with sermons and witness to people on the bus all week.

I think the apostles were full time. They were so busy preaching and praying they even had to get help for the mundane jobs (see Acts 6:1-7)

Paul also says
I robbed other churches, taking wages of them, to do you service.And when I was present with you, and wanted, I was chargeable to no man: for that which was lacking to me the brethren which came from Macedonia supplied:(1Cor 11:8-9)


I think he also says somewhere something about him being entitled to be supported although he prefers to work so as not to be a burden.

[kevinmiller]

I think the apostles were full time. They were so busy preaching and praying they even had to get help for the mundane jobs (see Acts 6:1-7)

Paul also says
I robbed other churches, taking wages of them, to do you service.And when I was present with you, and wanted, I was chargeable to no man: for that which was lacking to me the brethren which came from Macedonia supplied:(1Cor 11:8-9)


I think he also says somewhere something about him being entitled to be supported although he prefers to work so as not to be a burden.

There is a difference, however, between an apostle and an elder(pastor). An apostle was more akin to a missionary because of his frequent traveling. An elder is a leader in the church but in the Bible we see a plurality of elders, meaning all the responsibility was not supposed to rest on the shoulders of one man as it does today.