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Reply With QuoteIs the Old Testament not for us at all then? should we only go by the New Testament really? So no Psalms neither?
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are you jewish.? we are given 2 covenants as gentiles.1st is noah,2nd is Jesus.for us our life is easy.beginning and the end.
why do people do the old testament.?not for us.
Lampstand Senior Member Is the Old Testament not for us at all then? should we only go by the New Testament really? So no Psalms neither?
Phil4
8Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things. 9Whatever you have learned or received or heard from me, or seen in me—put it into practice. And the God of peace will be with you.
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nope.
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The Old Testament is the New Testament concealed and the New Testament is the Old Testament revealed.Originally Posted by smellycat
we are given 2 covenants as gentiles.1st is noah,2nd is Jesus.for us our life is easy.beginning and the end.
why do people do the old testament.?not for us.
To get a certain level of understanding about the New Testament you have to go back. If you are going to have any kind of sensible debate about any part of the New Testament, you have to have knowledge of certain things.
1. To realize that Jesus Christ is the fulfillment of numerous prophecies and if you were debating with a Jew ( or anyone for that matter ) and you were pleading the case for Christ ( not just your faith or belief ) and you announced it was all prophecized, how are you going to proove the case for Christ with any conviction ( like you should ), if you haven't got a clue where those prophecies are ?
2. To understand the cultural and historical circumstances into which Jesus was born.
John 1:1
John 1
" In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God "
Those words sound familiar ? Even the first verse of the Old Testament is recalled by John.
1 Chronicles 24:1-18 gives us a historical setting. It also gives us a cultural setting, a nation, a kingdom, with a priesthood.
Without knowing the history of Israel, all the way back to Abraham, Noah, and even Adam, the New Testament lacks a critical dimension and critical information.
Even Jesus himself spoke of the Old scrolls in many places in the New Testament and when the authors of the New Testament books wrote in ways that reveal the Old Testament, they did so because God told them to.
How are we to understand what many New Testament passages really mean if we don't know the cultural setting into which Jesus was born ?
A simple example, Luke 1:5. If you want to plead the case for Christ with any true conviction, then its more than knowing who these people were or having heard their names.
Everything about Christ, life, ministry, Passion, death, and Resurrection, is the fulfillment of Scripture. About a dozen times Matthew tells us that some action of Christ was done "to fulfill what was spoken" by some prophet.
In Marks Gospel he starts by hitting the nail on the head. Jesus is the Messiah and the Son of God. But he starts by setting the stage for John the Baptist and brings in Isaiah the prophet. If we don't know the Old Testament, then we won't have a clue who Isaiah was, when he lived or what he prophecised.
No, if you truely want to plead the case for Christ, you " have " to know your Old Testament.
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Former Member
i mean lily we don,t follow the old testament.and if you do follow the old testament then there would be lots of curses on you for denying Christ.
Lampstand Senior Member I have found for example the Psalms a great help in times of great need, so where i previously really felt God was speaking to me through them, He was not, because i shouldnt be 'going there' with the Psalms?
Phil4
8Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things. 9Whatever you have learned or received or heard from me, or seen in me—put it into practice. And the God of peace will be with you.
Former Member
we have simple rule love the Lord,love each other.do to others what you would have done to yourself.
if palms said kill anybody with a tattoo would you do so.?
Former Member
if it goes aggainst Jesus it,s not for you.
Former Member
jesus is the beginning and the end,the middle we couldn,t do.why we waited for him.
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I understand what you say to a certain degree, yes, agreed. If we did then we would still be stoning people and there happens to be a law that carries a manditory life sentence, murder.i mean lily we don,t follow the old testament.
But let me ask you something about the first book of the Bible as a whole, from a purely learning angle.
I may not see your reply until tonight, I am logged in but I am getting ready to go collect my Granddaughter from school.
Regarding Genesis. Do you think that the book of Gensis is applicable today ?
Just think about that first Cat before you reply please , think hard about what you think I am " really " asking you.
If I don't see you until tonight, have a nice day
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