are you jewish.?

[smellycat]

i don,t need to pusuade a jewish person about Jesus the old testament shows them him.

lily when jesus came ,he called israel Gods lost sheep.how can you do to others that you would have done to yourself.?aswell as following the old testament.?

there is a reason Jesus said put the new wine in a new bottle,and don,t put it in the old bottle or it will rip worse.

if you follow the gospel of love,you follow Gods commandments .

[smellycat]

to many people want there cake and eat it,called suits you sir syndrome.

[smellycat]

God wants people who worship in the spirit.

[smellycat]

we are saved by Jesus,not the law.

[Lily]

we are saved by Jesus,not the law.

You really do need to stop telling your Grandmother how to suck eggs.


Refresh my memory where I said we aren't saved by Christ ?

You obviously have no understanding of what Jesus was saying in Matthew 5:17-20.

Now, I won't bother asking you what Jesus was saying because you always have this jaded way of dodging a question you haven't got an answer to by asking another question.
Learnt all those tactics many years ago and answering a question with a question is " usually " a nice cosy little euphomism for " I don't know ".

So seeing as you continue to dodge questions and are quite obviously not used to debating, I shall tell you what Jesus was actually saying in Matthew 5:17-20 then I shall do as he said and wipe the dust from my feet. You have a choice to listen and debate sensibly or ignore what someone is trying to teach you. I know you will chose the latter because there is none so blind as he who will not see. You can obviously retain information, trouble is, you retain all that junk from youtube.

The purpose of Jesus' life and work was to fulfill both the Law (the books of Moses) and the Prophets (other Old Testament books).
He did not throw the "old " out with the " new " when he said,,,
" Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil "
But that doesn't mean that Christians have to keep circumcision and all the other old laws.

He did not mean that each specific law would stay exactly the same. He meant that Old covenant laws have been set aside because Jesus has " fulfilled " them and by " fulfilling " them, they have served their purpose by pointing to Jesus.
He was saying they are no longer legally binding by Jewish " tradition " ( tradition being the important word ).

Jesus fulfilled various laws, eg : ritual cleanliness. Deuteronomy 23:10

Now if we take your view on that, that means that it would become a sin to be unclean. Not so.

When He fulfilled that law it was his way of saying He was "morally " and " spiritually " pure.

That is not doing away with the Old Testament, that is what is meant by fulfilling it.

That is just one example of what Jesus was actually saying.
When Jesus said, "I have not come to abolish the Law or the Prophets," he did not mean that each specific law would stay exactly the same. He meant that the purpose and message of the Law and the Prophets remain exactly the same. The Law and the Prophets pointed to him and were intended from the beginning to be fulfilled by him.
Jesus is against nit picking legalism. The pharisees had developed the law into a mass of little rules, because they were trying so hard to obey it perfectly. But Jesus was saying his Disciples must do better than the pharasees. They must obey the law by letting it govern their inner thoughts and motives, not just by their outward actions.

Jesus came to fulfill them by living them completely.

You really do need to get back to basics, read from page one and pray for some Spiritual guidance and as I said in my last post, if you think that message in Genesis doesn't apply today, then there is something seriously wrong.
If you don't gain an understanding of what the Old testament is " really " saying, you will never understand the New. I repeat, the Old Testament is the New Testament concealed and the New Testament is the Old Testament revealed.

Now, I am doing as Luke 9:5 tells me.

[smellycat]

please post the point you disagree with which i have wrote.?

and explain why it is wrong.?

[smellycat]

it seems lily you have to call people,that tells me your weak.