prince charles and prince william.

[Chuckt]

I've never heard of anti meaning in place of, only against or opposed to.

Oxford English Dictionary
anti
preposition opposed to; against.
noun (plural antis) informal an opponent of something.

Online Entymological Dictionary
anti- L. anti- from Gk. anti "against, opposite, instead of," from PIE *anti (see ante).

Matthew 17:27 Notwithstanding, lest we should offend them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money: that take, and give unto them for (anti,G473) me and thee.

If you look at the following link, you can see how G473 (in red) is used in other verses (list at the bottom when following link):
Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon

The Antichrist according to Christianity, is one who fulfills Biblical prophecies concerning an adversary of Christ while resembling him in a deceptive manner.[1] The antichrist will seemingly provide for the needs of the people but deny the ultimate salvation. "Antichrist" is the English translation of the original Koine Greek ἀντίχριστος, pronounced än-tē'-khrē-stos. It is made up of two root words, αντί + Χριστός (anti + Christos). "Αντί" can mean not only “against” and “opposite of”, but also “in place of",[2] "Χριστός", translated "Christ", is Greek for the Hebrew "Messiah" meaning "anointed," and refers to Jesus of Nazareth[3] within Christian theology. The term "antichrist" appears 5 times in 1 John and 2 John of the New Testament — once in plural form and four times in the singular. [4]

Antichrist - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wikipedia isn't the absolute authority but it does have some good ideas.

[Chuckt]

Couldn't agree more Chuck.

I just see something different in the verse you quoted because of certain phrases,,,

"every god "

" God of gods "

" any god "

just sounds more pagan to me than a being who knows very well there is only one God.

It may be a way of referring to God that only the Jews use according to one source. If it isn't an old custom or if it isn't that then it could be strangely open ended.

As far as the anti-Christ is concerned, teachers over here teach the anti-Christ will come out of Europe. I've always wondered what people in Europe would think about that. It would be like Europeans claiming the anti-Christ would come out of America. How would I feel about someone saying that? I think America produces a lot of junk in the world and I'm saying it nicely so that I don't set library internet filters or my stepbrother's internet filter off.

I live in a different part of the world than some of you. I live in America so I'm going to have different teachers because I live near different people. That is going to be obvious.

I've been working on a theology book so I have something to leave my son and the next generation so they don't have to reinvent the wheel but I don't have money to publish it and I can't convince people close to me that it should be published. I visit passages over and over again and look at things from different angles. Some of the teaching I dwell on is different viewpoints and I have started to spin verses and meanings around in my head with a geographic view of the word of God. Discussing helps me review, address and go over meanings and different passages. I'm bound to have differences of opinions as I am working on getting my theology straight. I have made mistakes and I have corrected a lot of things. I see a lot of things that I can't put my finger on in scripture and there is a lot of articles that I have to write and there is a lot of ground work for me to cover. I'm seeking truth. I'm not trying to hurt anyone's feelings but I need people to be open so I can figure things out. I've had breakthroughs by visiting different message boards and by studying the word. People who differ with me help explain a lot of things and sometimes the word opens up itself. I don't know everything and I can be very dense. I've learned not to trust anyone, I have to check everything out for truth and though I feel that biblical literacy needs to improve in the world, I think that truth needs to win out over my feelings or feelings because it is what is necessary. That is why I study for an hour listening to Biblical teaching on the way home in the car and more than an hour on the way to work in my car. I do it for Jesus and I feel that I have to put out so that others can stand.

Proverbs 27:17 Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.

This is why we need to be strong and to have strong people around.

I like your theology and your viewpoints.

[Lily]

Hi again Chuck.

As far as the anti-Christ is concerned, teachers over here teach the anti-Christ will come out of Europe. I've always wondered what people in Europe would think about that.

Thats interesting and quite thought provoking what you say about teachers Chuck. I mean, it's one thing to have differing interpretations but you have given me food for thought about how simple geography may effect what people think about one set of books that are, apart from differing versions, the same the world over.
When I say geography, I do mean the Western world of course.
To be honest Chuck, the OP of this thread got my attention, basically just because it was refering to a present and future prince of Wales, which is where I was born and bred and the coat of arms that was referred to, I know well. Of course, our flag also features the famous red dragon
Just a little derailing here because you may find this interesting, the three feathers emblem of the Prince of Wales has " Ich dien " written above it. Many people would think that being an emblem that represents Wales, they would be Welsh words. Not so, they are German for " I serve ". Something that doesn't sit very well with a large number of Welsh people, especially the nationalists

But back to you're point though about what the people of Europe may think. Well, personally, I can't say it bothers me. Infact, Cat will confirm that many times I have expressed my concern with so much talk about the who's/when's and where's.
That's not to say we shouldn't be very aware, we definately should but, Jesus said " no man shall know " and I very often wonder why people tie themselves in knots trying to work something out, something that by the words of the great man himself said, they shall never know. I often think, " he's told you, why don't you believe him. Why tie yourself in knots over this ? "
I very often get told because of that view, " but you should be ready Lily, you " should " be aware ", but being ready and wanting to rather concentrate on the end result, God the victor, is very different to not being aware and ready.
So no, can't say it bothers me Chuck, the view that he will come from Europe I mean. Foul is foul is foul, where ever it comes from.
Tell you something that does bother me and, it would be interesting to hear you're view on it, is the thought that often occurs to me about people who seem to concentrate rather to much on satan/antichrist. Are they going to be focused so much on it that they will mistake the " real deal " for him ?
Just a thought.

It would be like Europeans claiming the anti-Christ would come out of America.

Well, this isn't a blanket statement Chuck but, I think you will find that lots do. Bush was given the title, now it's Obama's turn. Even Bill Gates has been considered

Interesting though Chuck, what you have raised about simple geography.

I've learned not to trust anyone, I have to check everything out for truth

I SO know that feeling. What was it Mark Twain once said ?, “A lie can travel halfway around the world, while truth puts on its shoes.”

[smellycat]

i think we have to look at the prophecies ,more info is given in the last days lily.there are many types .like a massive game of guess who.

[Lily]

da bore cath or Bore da Cat or Good morning Cat

[Chuckt]

Hi again Chuck.



Thats interesting and quite thought provoking what you say about teachers Chuck. I mean, it's one thing to have differing interpretations but you have given me food for thought about how simple geography may effect what people think about one set of books that are, apart from differing versions, the same the world over.
When I say geography, I do mean the Western world of course.
To be honest Chuck, the OP of this thread got my attention, basically just because it was refering to a present and future prince of Wales, which is where I was born and bred and the coat of arms that was referred to, I know well. Of course, our flag also features the famous red dragon

Someone had an interpretation that the Chinese dragon walks upright just like the Serpent in the garden walked upright. I told a few people about the similarities and they laughed me to scorn.

The interpretation of the ten toes of the idol Daniel saw is symbolic of the revived Roman Empire that ruled the world. It isn't my motivation to blame anyone but I think this view carries some weight.



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