prince charles and prince william.

[smellycat]

how could the jews accept a non-jewish massiah.?

[smellycat]

if the jewish don,t have a jewish massiah descendent,the torah might aswell be ripped up.

[Lily]

if the jewish don,t have a jewish massiah descendent,the torah might aswell be ripped up.

I'm not going down that road with you again

[Chuckt]

Cat, the important point is, not what we think or surmise, the important point is what Scripture speaks of. No-where in Scripture does it say that the anti christ will be Jewish by blood. As I say, Scripture only speaks of him making a covenant with the Jews.

Some people think the anti-Christ is Jewish because it hints he will not 'regard the God of his fathers'.

Daniel 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

I think the anti-Christ may have to come from Israel because it may be the only way for them to accept him.

Cat, the geneological records were destroyed when Titus sacked the temple in 70 A.D so it is very hard for people to claim to be a descendent. Some of the people with the name Cohen know they are a descendent and some have their own geneological records going back four generations which is a lot but it is taught that the anti-Christ will not be revealed until the Church (those whom the Holy Spirit indwell) is taken away:

2 Thessalonians 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth [will let], until he be taken out of the way.

2 Thessalonians 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

The reason man likes to blame leaders or accuse leaders is because they haven't bridled their tongue (James 3:8) and they aren't subject to governments (Romans 13:1) and their mouths show the cleanliness of their hearts which only Christ can clean because their speech is not right:

Matthew 12:34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
Matthew 12:35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
Matthew 15:18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
Matthew 15:19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
Mark 7:21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,

[smellycat]

he talks to plants.

[Lily]

he talks to plants.

At this point, Lily spat her tea out.


Pack it in

[Lily]

Daniel 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

I think the anti-Christ may have to come from Israel because it may be the only way for them to accept him.

Hi Chuck. I think if you read that verse in context with the verse before it, it takes on, in my opinion, a different slant,

Daniel 11:36-37
36 “Then the king shall do according to his own will: he shall exalt and magnify himself above every god, shall speak blasphemies against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the wrath has been accomplished; for what has been determined shall be done. 37 He shall regard neither the God[a] of his fathers nor the desire of women, nor regard any god; for he shall exalt himself above them all.

Speaks of a pagan to me, ( note the every god , or any god both small g. ) someone like Nero springs to mind there, or even a prophecy of the reign of Antiochus Epiphanes, but thats just a personal impression of mine.

I think the anti-Christ may have to come from Israel because it may be the only way for them to accept him.

I still stand by my original post Chuck because that is a view based on pure human reasoning and has no Scriptural support.

Scripture only speaks of antichrist making a covenant with the Jews.

Daniel 9:26-27
26 “ And after the sixty-two weeks
Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;
And the people of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.
The end of it shall be with a flood,
And till the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the desolate.”

[Chuckt]

I still stand by my original post Chuck because that is a view based on pure human reasoning and has no Scriptural support.

Scripture only speaks of antichrist making a covenant with the Jews.

Daniel 9:26-27

The anti-Christ is a teaching I learned some 31+ years ago and I can't remember other than it just stuck in my mind. I believe I know who I was listening to. It is a time of deception and the only way to be deceived is for the anti-Christ to come before the real Christ and it happens by people looking for Messiah. We know by scripture that God will give people a strong delusion to believe a lie (2 Thessalonians 2:11).

'anti' can mean in the place of Christ or against. If he is going to convince the Jews that anti-Christ is the messiah then they basically have to convince them that he makes a better case than Jesus.

can mean either "against Christ" or "instead of Christ," or perhaps, combining the two, "one who, assuming the guise of Christ, opposes Christ" (Westcott). The word is found only in John's epistles, -Vine's Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words:

Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon

When making a case for Christ, you have to go to prophecies and the geneologies in the gospels. The geneologies go back to king David.

Matthew 1:1 ¶ The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

If anti means in the place of Christ then you have to have anti-Christ in the geneology of david or it will be non-germane to my understanding.


If you are making a case for anti-christ other than a biblical anti-christ then he is non-germane to my understanding of the Bible.

I am not against you at all. We should all be brothers and sisters in the Lord. I just carry my opinion which is different. Discussing the truth should be more important than personal feelings because there are different views and the truth on this subject is very important and is the only way I'm going to learn the truth or something someone else has gleaned from God's word. This is a subject of spiritual importance because if we don't know then if we're wrong then someone can be deceived and the implications of that is not good.

[Lily]

I am not against you at all. We should all be brothers and sisters in the Lord. I just carry my opinion which is different. Discussing the truth should be more important than personal feelings because there are different views and the truth on this subject is very important and is the only way I'm going to learn the truth or something someone else has gleaned from God's word. This is a subject of spiritual importance because if we don't know then if we're wrong then someone can be deceived and the implications of that is not good.

Couldn't agree more Chuck.

I just see something different in the verse you quoted because of certain phrases,,,

"every god "

" God of gods "

" any god "

just sounds more pagan to me than a being who knows very well there is only one God.

[Steveg]

'anti' can mean in the place of Christ or against. If he is going to convince the Jews that anti-Christ is the messiah then they basically have to convince them that he makes a better case than Jesus.

I've never heard of anti meaning in place of, only against or opposed to.

Oxford English Dictionary
anti
preposition opposed to; against.
noun (plural antis) informal an opponent of something.

Online Entymological Dictionary
anti- L. anti- from Gk. anti "against, opposite, instead of," from PIE *anti (see ante).