Safe weight loss

[DeaconDan]

I would like to lose at least 1 stone.

A two-week fast will do the job.

[Lily]

I agree with Eddy, where weight loss is concerned, fast and safe don't go together.

[Galaen]

and fast don't last either

[DeaconDan]

A two-week fast will drop you a stone. It is also a very healthy thing to do, to detox your body and mind.

[Lily]

Can you define " fast " please Dan.

[DeaconDan]

Going without food.

Fasting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:
Research suggests there are major health benefits to caloric restriction. Benefits include reduced risks of cancer, cardiovascular diseases, diabetes, insulin resistance, immune disorders, and more generally, the slowing of the aging process and the potential to increase maximum life span.

Here is a website that provides oodles of scientific studies:
Anti-Aging-Guide -- Your plan to stay young

There is nothing in the world healthier than fasting.

[iamowen]

A two-week fast will drop you a stone. It is also a very healthy thing to do, to detox your body and mind.

I have to dissagree there ! after a long fast I only lost 4 or 5 pounds that war regained the first day after the fast. A fast for HIM does not end with weight loss. And may I add I was working hard all the way through and I am in the building trade so it is hard manual work,

[Lily]

I notice in that first link Dan, even though they metion the benifits, it's not all positive really is it ?

Such changes in blood chemistry during fasting may have dangerous effects

Fasting leads to lowered blood sugar and blood pressure which can lead to dizziness and blackouts.

People who had low blood pressure before the fast can have these problems even on a one-day fast.

The side effect was the participants felt cranky during the three week trial.

Prolonged fasting, generally more than 30 days, can result in serious health problems.

Not to sure I agree with you're list ( sorry if you are just quoting from that site ), of benifits to certain conditions such as "diabetes " and " immune disorders " ( even though diabeties is generally medically classed as an immune disorder, I quote them seperately ).
My Father is diabetic and without food for, even sometimes a few hours, leads to a hypo, where quite a few times, the effect has been what appears to be one very nasty man, who has actually fought us when we have attempted to get a glucose drink or chocolate ( which melts readily quite quickly ) in his mouth.

Actually, my Daughter in laws Father and Brother are both police officers and they have related quite a few instances where someone who appears to be drunk and disorderly on the street and has fought officers on attempting to arrest, have recognised warning signs due to the Paternal Mother/Grandmother having diabeties, given chocolate and the person has calmed enough to explain whats happened and medics called.

I also am recovering from GBS ( Guillian Barre Syndrome ), which is an immune disorder and I have noticed diet, or lack of food, makes my symptoms worse. Problems with concentration, moods, irritability ( sometimes sheer anger ), dizzyness, balance, a loss of brain signals to motor nerves supplying legs and hands ( many times my legs just seem to almost disappear and I go down like a ton of bricks ), an inabliity to type what is in my head and make sense on screen ( brain knows what it wants to type but looks something akin to Yugoslavian on some posts ), re-occuring boils on my legs, nail fungus. I could go on. But that's an abridged version of what happens to me if I don't eat properly.
I also had a bout of aloplecia and one single strand of hair was tested by a tricologist who told me what my body was deficient in, was advised to eat red meat and more red meat, liver until it was coming out of my ears and as many dark green vegatables as my gut could sociably take.
Since following that advice a year ago now, no more patches and my hair is thicker than ever.

I'm not completely dismissing what you say about fasting, I'm certain that for many, it can be a good thing and it may aid some conditions, I just don't agree that it should be used as a blanket statement that it will aid all conditions and is " generally " a good or wise thing to attempt, certainly not without consulting a medical practitioner.

[Galaen]

It has been proved times many that when we go without food our body goes into starvation mode and then grabs the first thing which hits it and stores it as fat in preparation for the next time it has no food. Diets don't work for this very reason but people still insist on using them. The only sensible way to lose weight and keep it off is to use up more calories than you take in. If you eat more - exercise more. As the meerkats say -simple.

[DeaconDan]

[I]I notice in that first link Dan, even though they metion the benifits, it's not all positive really is it ?

Yes, and exercise can lead to physical exhaustion, muscle soreness, physical injuries, even heart failure. But, it would be obtuse to argue that exercise is bad for you.

Not to sure I agree with you're list ( sorry if you are just quoting from that site ), of benifits to certain conditions such as "diabetes " and " immune disorders " ( even though diabeties is generally medically classed as an immune disorder, I quote them seperately ).

I was quoting from the wikipedia link. Fasting is the most powerful way to prevent and cure diabetes. Type 2 diabetes is more closely linked to obesity than cigarette smoking is to lung cancer. Sufficient fasting prevents or eliminates obesity. Even without weight loss, fasting improves the body's insulin sensitivity. This is why the wikipedia entry says, "Major health benefits to caloric restriction... include reduced risks of... diabetes, insulin resistance." Of course, someone with diabetes needs to be more careful about fasting...

My Father is diabetic and without food for, even sometimes a few hours, leads to a hypo, where quite a few times, the effect has been what appears to be one very nasty man, who has actually fought us when we have attempted to get a glucose drink or chocolate ( which melts readily quite quickly ) in his mouth.

Even healthy people sometimes have difficulty starting a fast, if they lack experience. It is like someone who does not know how to use weights giving himself a hernia. A person with a diseases may have more difficulty exercising because of the disease, yet exercise might help alleviate that disease (osteoporosis, arthritis, etc.).

I also had a bout of aloplecia and one single strand of hair was tested by a tricologist who told me what my body was deficient in,

Fasting does not cure iron deficiency or deficiency of any nutrient. Exercise and penicillin also do not cure nutrient deficiency. Nutrients, and nothing else, very simply cure nutrient deficiency.

I just don't agree that it should be used as a blanket statement that it will aid all conditions and is " generally " a good or wise thing to attempt, certainly not without consulting a medical practitioner.

There are people who should not exercise or eat peanuts. Any exercise book will caution you to consult a doctor.