No Second Chances From The Grave

[Pariah]

Isaiah 38:16O LORD, by these things men live, and in all these things is the life of my spirit: so wilt thou recover me, and make me to live. 17Behold, for peace I had great bitterness: but thou hast in love to my soul delivered it from the pit of corruption: for thou hast cast all my sins behind thy back. 18For the grave cannot praise thee, death can not celebrate thee: they that go down into the pit cannot hope for thy truth. 19The living, the living, he shall praise thee, as I do this day: the father to the children shall make known thy truth. 20The LORD was ready to save me: therefore we will sing my songs to the stringed instruments all the days of our life in the house of the LORD.

On what basis does Hezekiah pray this where God does not correct him?

Psalm 6: 5For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?

Psalm 30: 9What profit is there in my blood, when I go down to the pit? Shall the dust praise thee? shall it declare thy truth?

Psalm 88: 10Wilt thou shew wonders to the dead? shall the dead arise and praise thee? Selah. 11Shall thy lovingkindness be declared in the grave? or thy faithfulness in destruction? 12Shall thy wonders be known in the dark? and thy righteousness in the land of forgetfulness?

Psalm 115: 17The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence.

Since the words of Hezekiah are written and without any correction from the Lord, Hezekiah knew what he was talking about as the Psalms says:

There are no second chances from the grave.

Psalm 49: 7None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:

Hebrews 9: 27And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: 28So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

2 Corinthians 6: 1We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain. 2(For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.) 3Giving no offence in any thing, that the ministry be not blamed:

Romans 13: 10Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. 11And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed. 12The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light. 13Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying. 14But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

1 John 3:22And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 23And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 24And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

Revelation 3:19As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. 20Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. 21To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

[Steveg]

I agree there are no second chances after death.

[Servo]

I agree there are no second chances after death.

Yep we all seem to be agreeing that there are no second chances after death. Or is the OP referring to a part or parts of Roman Catholic and/or Orthodox doctrine --- perhaps another's church's doctrine?

[Pariah]

If you are fathoming it: it is a rebuttal against Universal Reconciliation as well as purgatory.

[Steveg]

If you are fathoming it: it is a rebuttal against Universal Reconciliation as well as purgatory.

Purgatory isn't a second chance

[Pariah]

Purgatory isn't a second chance

Psalm 49: 7None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him: 8(For the redemption of their soul is precious, and it ceaseth for ever 9That he should still live for ever, and not see corruption.

All believers in Jesus Christ have been bought with a price and sealed as His: after death, there is judgment: either the believer will be found abiding in Him to be that vessel unto honour in God's House or they will be found not abiding in Him and thus becoming a vessel unto dishonour in God's House. In this life, those that have gone astray from the faith or set their relationship with the Lord aside to live the wild life, are called to depart from iniquity to avoid being that vessel unto dishonour in God's House. 2 Timothy 2:15-26

There is no purgatory. There is no second chances in regards to shortening anyone's stay in purgatory before they go to God's House.

Only Jesus Christ and His righteousness and His faithfulness is bringing us Home....one way or another: including all those wayward believers that will be left behind at the pre tribulational rapture event...for the foolish virgins will have oil for their lamps and the prodigal son will be returning because he is still son....all because Jesus Christ will finsih what He has started in every believer so that He will lose none: John 6:38-40 even those that shall be left behind.

Once a believer dies: they are forever with the Lord. 2 Corinthians 5:8 Click on that and read, brother, and see why all purgatory does is take away that confidence. I would rather believe 2 Corinthians 5:8 rather than have doubts and worry about purgatory.

[Steveg]

Psalm 49: 7None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him: 8(For the redemption of their soul is precious, and it ceaseth for ever 9That he should still live for ever, and not see corruption.

All believers in Jesus Christ have been bought with a price and sealed as His: after death, there is judgment: either the believer will be found abiding in Him to be that vessel unto honour in God's House or they will be found not abiding in Him and thus becoming a vessel unto dishonour in God's House. In this life, those that have gone astray from the faith or set their relationship with the Lord aside to live the wild life, are called to depart from iniquity to avoid being that vessel unto dishonour in God's House. 2 Timothy 2:15-26

There is no purgatory. There is no second chances in regards to shortening anyone's stay in purgatory before they go to God's House.

Only Jesus Christ and His righteousness and His faithfulness is bringing us Home....one way or another: including all those wayward believers that will be left behind at the pre tribulational rapture event...for the foolish virgins will have oil for their lamps and the prodigal son will be returning because he is still son....all because Jesus Christ will finsih what He has started in every believer so that He will lose none: John 6:38-40 even those that shall be left behind.

Once a believer dies: they are forever with the Lord. 2 Corinthians 5:8 Click on that and read, brother, and see why all purgatory does is take away that confidence. I would rather believe 2 Corinthians 5:8 rather than have doubts and worry about purgatory.

As I said Purgatory is not a second chance.

The discussion of what Purgatory is or is not is probably not appropriate to this forum.

[canny]

I agree Steve, perhaps that should be continued in the RC forum

[Pariah]

I agree Steve, perhaps that should be continued in the RC forum

Primarily, it addresses Universal Reconciliation, but it does also go to point about Purgatory.

I have no more to say on the issue.

[Jay Dub]

Originally Posted by Steveg

Purgatory isn't a second chance

Steve

How can you say that and this, I am confused

Originally Posted by Steveg

Another point is that we don't know whether the "good thief" needed any further purification. We cannot judge his heart. He recognized his failings and acknowledged them.

Steve,
If the thief on the cross recognized his failings and acknowledged them, then why shouldn't we all.

If the thief could do it in this life, than why not all of us?

Doesn't that then give the rest of us a second chance, if we don't recgnize our failings and acknowledge them?