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    A point of contention has been raised by unbelievers as to why they would not believe. By the grace of God, He has enabled me to address it to them, but felt the need to share it here as for equipping the saints.

    You may hear this test of the sovereignty of God in different ways:

    How can there be a loving God if some poor starving child in Africa that never heard the Gospel and dies, gets sent to Hell?

    Let us look at the sovereignty of God now.

    Now, we all heard about the great commission.

    Matthew 28: 18And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

    Now we go to God leading Paul as he served Him to the Gentiles:

    Acts 16: 6Now when they had gone throughout Phrygia and the region of Galatia, and were forbidden of the Holy Ghost to preach the word in Asia, 7After they were come to Mysia, they assayed to go into Bithynia: but the Spirit suffered them not. 8And they passing by Mysia came down to Troas. 9And a vision appeared to Paul in the night; There stood a man of Macedonia, and prayed him, saying, Come over into Macedonia, and help us. 10And after he had seen the vision, immediately we endeavoured to go into Macedonia, assuredly gathering that the Lord had called us for to preach the gospel unto them.

    What happened? Wasn't there a commandment to teach all nations? Why would God deny the Gospel to Asia and Mysia at that time? Yet we see that someone was seeking Him in Macedonia as a dream was sent to Paul. Thus we see the sovereignty of God in that He knows those that are seeking Him and those that are not. This is why we have these scriptures to guide us.

    Matthew 7: 6Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you. 7Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: 8For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

    God has made a promise in verse 7 & 8. Even though the man in Macedonia never heard it, God spoke it and it shall be done.

    Isaiah 55: 10For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater: 11So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it. 12For ye shall go out with joy, and be led forth with peace: the mountains and the hills shall break forth before you into singing, and all the trees of the field shall clap their hands. 13Instead of the thorn shall come up the fir tree, and instead of the brier shall come up the myrtle tree: and it shall be to the LORD for a name, for an everlasting sign that shall not be cut off.

    Sounds like the bringing of the Good News and its effect!

    Romans 10: 14How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? 15And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! 16But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? 17So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. 18But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world. 19But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you. 20But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me. 21But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.

    Not everyone that hear the Gospel will believe, but those that seek Him, shall, for the Gospel will come to them for them to hear and so that they may believe and be saved.

    John 3: 16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

    Thus God knows who are seeking Him and those that are not as whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, thus the Gospel shall be preached unto them.

    God is at work as He enables us to serve Him. Jesus knows His sheep and calls them by name, therefore the burden for serving Him is light as His yoke is easy. The results are on Him to accomplish as He enables us to serve Him.

    John 6: 28Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

    That not only goes for Him working in our lives to help us live as his by faith, but Him enabling us to serve Him by faith also.

    Matthew 10: 17But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues; 18And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles. 19But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. 20For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

    So that is why we have this rest in Jesus so that when He appears, we are not bound nor committed to do anything down here for He shall finish it.. even in those left behind at the marriage supper of the bride and bridegroom.

    Matthew 11: 28Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. 30For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

    Philippians 1: 6Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

    Hebrews 12: 1Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

    So no matter if you are in the middle of witnessing, trust in God that when He takes you, He shall take over since it was never on you in the first place. It is on Him as He enables us to serve Him. When it is time to go, God means it.

    Thus we can rest in Jesus in doing His Work for what He is sent for.. to save those that seek God. Thus no one that never heard the Gospel, but died and went to Hell, God knew they would not have believed in the first place. But we can rest knowing that anyone.. no matter where... anyone that seeks God, will have the Gospel preached unto them as He has promised for all those that do seek Him. Amen.

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    I think this issue is a huge stumbling block to many who try and witness. Thanks for the insight, Pariah. This would be a huge benefit for those with a heart for witnessing so I think I will move this topic over to the "evangelize" forum. I'll leave a shadow re-direct here for now.
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    Okay, gibby!

    I thank the Lord for helping me receive that insight. Truly wisdom is from the Lord. I trust Him to equip the saints accordingly to give them peace and the faith to witness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pariah View Post
    Isaiah 55: 10For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater: 11So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it. 12For ye shall go out with joy, and be led forth with peace: the mountains and the hills shall break forth before you into singing, and all the trees of the field shall clap their hands. 13Instead of the thorn shall come up the fir tree, and instead of the brier shall come up the myrtle tree: and it shall be to the LORD for a name, for an everlasting sign that shall not be cut off.
    Sounds like the bringing of the Good News and its effect!
    Amen Pariah, Amen Gibby. As it is the time of snow I was thinking about this verse and I would like to comment on this verse as I had been reading about this last night. We have the 69th prophesy in Isaiah 55:10-13 which is still unfulfilled.
    The 8 unfulfilled predictions are as follows:-
    a. My Word will not return to Me void; it will accomplish what it is designed to do (v.55:11)
    b. You will go out with joy. (v.55.12)
    c. You will be led forth with peace.
    d. Mountains and hills will break forth into singing before you.
    e. All trees of the field will clap their hands
    f. Instead of thorn the fir tree will grow.(v.55:13)
    g. Instead of brier the myrtle tree will come up.
    h. These will be eternal things, a sign to glorify God.

    The Word of God (v.55:11)
    The Word of God like rain and snow that water the earth and cause it to produce fruit, will be sown in the hearts of men and produce fruit in the moral world (v.11; Deuteronomy 32:2). As the rain and snow falls on various ground, so does the Word of God ( Mathew 13:3-8; 20-23). Like rain and snow it will accomplish its best good in the eternal reign of the Messiah when the knowledge of the Lord will cover the earth (Isaiah 11:9).Thus the fulfillment of this scripture will be in the future; there is only a partial fulfillment at present in the preaching of the gospel. ( Sorry I have to disagree with you on this Pariah).

    In their regathering at the 2nd advent of Jesus Christ, the mountains, hills and trees of Palestine are to rejoice at their return (v.12). In that day the curse will be removed from plants and trees, and the state of all things will be as before the fall of Adam (v.13; 35:1-10; Psalms 98:8).

    What a glorious future is in store for us!
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    Hi JIP,

    That's okay. I see your point, but since scriptures are famous for double prophecies, I tend to believe it can still apply to knowledge covering the earth of all those that seek Him as a promise... thus it is sent out to accomplish what it was sent out to do.. that all those that seek Him, shall find.

    But I believe your interpretation can be the actual fulfillment in the milleniel reign.

    I am sure we shall know all soon enough, God be willing.

    1 Corinthians 13: 8Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. 9For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. 10But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. 11When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 12For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. 13And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pariah View Post
    Hi JIP,

    That's okay. I see your point, but since scriptures are famous for double prophecies, I tend to believe it can still apply to knowledge covering the earth of all those that seek Him as a promise... thus it is sent out to accomplish what it was sent out to do.. that all those that seek Him, shall find.But I believe your interpretation can be the actual fulfillment in the milleniel reign.I am sure we shall know all soon enough, God be willing.
    1 Corinthians 13: 8Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. 9For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. 10But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. 11When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 12For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. 13And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.
    Dear Pariah,
    The opinion of double prophesy only substantiates a prophesy as mostly
    that which is patent in the N.T. is latent in the O.T. I have no different opinion on what the bible says because there is no need of a further opinion on what is already correct. My opinions are only based on the opinions formed by others on the Word of God.

    I find that you are anxious about the end of time or the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ. Can I ask why the urgency? Is it not up to God to decide the exact date and we continue our duties as directed? Please see the ensuing verses and let me know.
    CHRIST’S SECOND COMING

    I have seen the question been asked often about our “opinion” concerning the second coming of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. My answer is always the same, “I have no opinion-God covers this subject completely in His Word”.


    Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
    Matthew 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
    Luke 12:40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.
    Matthew 25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
    2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night;
    Acts 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
    1 Thessalonians 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
    Revelation 3:3 I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
    Mark 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
    Deuteronomy 29:29 The secret things belong unto the LORD our God

    Man can ponder and figure this question all he wants, but the secret things do belong to the Lord, and He is in control. The above scriptures clearly state that God is the only one, who knows when Jesus will return. Too many of us wonder and worry about when our Lord Jesus Christ will return to assume His throne here on earth. Many of us want it to be soon so that we can be delivered from the things of this world. We should not be concerned about the time, only that we should be ready as the five virgins, who had oil for their lamps were. God tells us how Christ will return in Rev 1:7, Acts 1:9-11, and Luke 21:27.

    Anyone, who claims to possess special knowledge about when Christ will return in a manner not consistent with God’s Word, is suspect.

    How will Jesus Christ appear, when he returns to claim his bride?

    Matthew 24:29-31 29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

    Mark 13:25-37 29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
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    Hi JIP,

    I do have a growing expectation... outside of dreams of the rapture. I do not share those dreams for the obvious reason.

    But there are signs of the fig tree available.

    2 Thessalonians 2: 1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

    There are two events: His appearing and His coming. The first event follows the event of the falling away first. If you read on as it continues on with the second event on how the Lord shall deal with the son of perdition in His actual coming, so shall the Lord deal with the prior event at His appearing.

    2 Thessalonians 2: 8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

    That second event is dealt with His coming which is the final event, thus when it goes to the next verse, it is referring to dealing with the falling away which is prior to the second event.

    9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. 13But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: 14Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions

    There is a Pentecostal doctrine that preaches another baptism of the Holy Spirit which comes with evidence of tongues which has no interpretation. In order to cover up the lack of interpretation that the Lord would provide for the Biblical tongues, they claim it is a prayer language. All in all, it places focus on the Holy Spirit, but the indwelling Holy Spirit seeks to have our focus on Jesus Christ because there are other spirits in the world. That is why all invitations is pointed to Jesus for unbelievers to be saved and for believers to continue to be found abiding in Him. The strong delusion is the tongues that is gibberish and of the world for believing the lie of seeking another spirit to receive other than the Spirit already received as promised at salvation for coming to Jesus.

    1 Timothy 4: 1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

    2 Corinthians 11: 3But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

    So the falling away of the faith has occurred.

    Other signs are in the earth as a woman in birth pangs, but let's stick to the falling away.

    Matthew 24: 23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25Behold, I have told you before. 26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

    That is how those that promote the "move of the Holy Spirit" do it. The holy laughter phenomenon swept the nation in 1994 with another heretical movement Promise Keepers as they even joined together!! Truly the false prophet is ecumenical in nature as it gathers grapes of thorns and figs of thistles. That is what they get for not heeding His sayings and building on that Rock of faith in resting in Him. Matthew 7:13-17

    Ths as we continue in Matthew 24: Now note how this verse began....

    29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

    Sounds like nuclear war? Then it goes to declaring that the next verse is a prior event.

    30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

    It is prior because it goes on to explain how no one will know the day. Well, if the sun darkened and the moon not give her light, that would be a sure sign hard to miss! So then it gives the clue that it is unexpected, but yet discernable enough for the believers to be always ready.

    32Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: 33So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors..... 36But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. 37But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 40Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 41Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 42Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. 43But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. 44Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

    So if one thinks about how to keep watch and not allow his house to suffer to be broken up by a thief, one can see that such things as seeking another baptism or seeking an infilling of the Spirit or seeking another spirit "is" of the world as it is the rudiment of the world in inviting a thief in, thus the falling away has occurred... with the strong delusion in believing a lie when they receive tongues that has no interpretation... and linguists has recorded the falsely claimed Biblical tongues and found them as the same as tongues in the world which is gibberish. People that seek after what they claim to be the Holy Spirit coming and falling on them again and again, have voiced a hunger for more of God because of that... thus I know first-hand by the statements made by those in it, they forgot their resting place in Jesus.

    So that is why I am "expecting" because unless the Lord shortens these days, no one will be found abiding in Him because as soon as they are saved... they lead them astray.

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    Continued from previous post...

    That is why I believe the despensation of the Gospel will go back to the Jews after the first harvest because just as the Jews rejected Him, now the Gentiles are rejecting the simplicity of the Gospel, and thus calls for judgment to fall on the House of God first.. to deliver the wayward brothers from labouring in unbelief.

    Revelation 7: 9After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; 10And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. 11And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, 12Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen. 13And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? 14And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. 16They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. 17For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

    Once that door is shut, there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. There will be a loss. God will have to wipe the tears from their eyes in order for them to get passed their loss.

    As it is, the falling away has occurred and keeping the faith is the good fight.

    May your focus be always on Jesus for that is Whom the indwelling Holy Spirit is pointing you towards as scriptures testifies and as all invitations points to Jesus still. Thus the call to strive ye through the straight gate: Jesus Luke 13:24-30

    Anyway.. the call is to be ready. I have dreams, but again... I can only know of them. I can't expect anyone to take me at my word. It's not like saying the day or anything, but my prophetic dreams are coming true quickly and increasing in rapidity like a woman in labour... all the dreams from when I was a tot throughout the years to now.. all dreams are coming true and reaching a coming together. Do I feel honored? Nope. This is the Lord warning me to be watchful as I have been warned of future sins and missed some of the warnings ( Yep..I sinned, goes to show how much of an idiot I am. Truly the Lord is gracious towards me) , but everything is being done to keep me from falling and to be ready... as I place my trust in Him.

    Maybe I am wrong. Maybe it just means my coming death, my departure from this stage of life. But there are too many symbolism of the rapture.. obvious ones.. a startling one of me being taken by a powerful force... as I was about to go to bed...

    I know what I dreamt, and when these things come to pass, I shall glory in the Lord for showing me things to come for it does glorify Jesus to me.

    And there were several times in the past that I had asked the Lord why I was here. He had been answering me through my dreams from since I was a tot. I received the answer several times in my waking state of.. "so that they may know why they were left behind." Seeing how I am edified against apostasy, I can't deny that part. I do not feel special. I feel like a loser of a follower, but a grateful one that He has delivered me and is keeping me even now. Jesus is My Good Shepherd and My Friend. Amen.

    So.. no.. I don't know the day, but I am expecting as He enables me to give the call to be ready so that others and not just myself, be found abiding in Him. Thank you, Jesus. May He cause the increase for I am nothing. Amen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pariah View Post
    A point of contention has been raised by unbelievers as to why they would not believe. By the grace of God, He has enabled me to address it to them, but felt the need to share it here as for equipping the saints.


    Thus we can rest in Jesus in doing His Work for what He is sent for.. to save those that seek God. Thus no one that never heard the Gospel, but died and went to Hell, God knew they would not have believed in the first place. But we can rest knowing that anyone.. no matter where... anyone that seeks God, will have the Gospel preached unto them as He has promised for all those that do seek Him. Amen.
    John 9:39-41 (ANIV)
    Jesus said, "For judgment I have come into this world, so that the blind will see and those who see will become blind."
    [40] Some Pharisees who were with him heard him say this and asked, "What? Are we blind too?"
    [41] Jesus said, "If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains.


    In one breath you say we have choice, in the next you say the man was not given the option to choose because God already knew the choice he would make and so he was sent to hell. Surely, if a man had never heard the gospel he would be blind to it, and as Jesus said would be guilt free, and as such would not be held accountable. God is just and would never condemn anyone without first giving them the option of salvation, even if he did know the choice they would make, to not do so would be unjust.
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    Acts 16: 6Now when they had gone throughout Phrygia and the region of Galatia, and were forbidden of the Holy Ghost to preach the word in Asia, 7After they were come to Mysia, they assayed to go into Bithynia: but the Spirit suffered them not. 8And they passing by Mysia came down to Troas.



    I dont understand why this would have happened. If anyone explained this in one of those long posts I apologise, too much to take in.

    Asians are ' all men ' did I miss the point
    Let there be peace on earth and let it begin with me. ....................

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