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[canny]

I have had to work hard to get rid of the 'guilt' thing, and constantly need reminding of :

For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace

[smellycat]

don,t feel guilty just try to do what jesus says .

[streetsinger]

don,t feel guilty just try to do what jesus says .

Good place to be.

[Jay Dub]

In the mean time I enjoy a fullness of life I never though I would ever enjoy. I enjoy this because I refuse to accept the guilt that the enemy and many who are supposedly my friends try to force upon me. I gratefully accept the scriptures that free me of the law and therefore the guilt.

I don't know if I can honestly say the same thing

I know the Lord sees me as a new creation, In his eyes I am sinless.

It is my guilt that convicts me and brings me to repentance at this point I am free from guilt, but how do I distinguish guilt from regret or would you say regret is a part of guilt.

If regret and guilt go hand in hand, I am most definitely not free

[DeaconDan]

It is my guilt that convicts me and brings me to repentance at this point I am free from guilt, but how do I distinguish guilt from regret or would you say regret is a part of guilt.

Guilt is the proper reaction to breaking the Law. It is guilt that drives us to repentance.

Regret comes from being unable to do things you wish to do or wish you had not done. You regret breaking the Law (if and only if you feel guilty or you suffer as a result). You also regret making a bad investment decision. You regret not being able to go out because the car will not start. Regret comes form guilt, but guilt does not come from regret.

[streetsinger]

I don't know if I can honestly say the same thing

I know the Lord sees me as a new creation, In his eyes I am sinless.

It is my guilt that convicts me and brings me to repentance at this point I am free from guilt, but how do I distinguish guilt from regret or would you say regret is a part of guilt.

If regret and guilt go hand in hand, I am most definitely not free

We are freed by the truth Jay, scripture tells us that to say we are without sin is to lie;
1 John 1:8 (ANIV)
If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.
So no amount of self effort will take away our sin, which of course is the source of guilt.
We therefore have to look to scripture for the answer;
Romans 6:14 (ANIV)
For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace.
If we are not under law, then there is no sin because sin is the breaking of the law, Paul emphasises this by telling us that we are free to do anything;
1 Cor. 10:23 (ANIV)
"Everything is permissible"—but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is permissible"—but not everything is constructive.
He goes even further;
Romans 8:1 (ANIV)
Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus,
He does however entreat us not to sin;
Romans 6:15 (ANIV)
What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means!
But being sinners, it is inevitable that we will from time to time fall, what does he say about that?
Romans 8:28 (ANIV)
And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose.
All things has to include our sin Jay, when we sin it humbles us and a humble man kneels before God. We also have our King, praise God;
Hebrews 4:14-16 (ANIV)
Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has gone through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to the faith we profess. [15] For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathise with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet was without sin. [16] Let us then approach the throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need.
Finally we need to remember that we are the work of God himself;
Isaiah 64:8 (ANIV)
Yet, O Lord, you are our Father.
We are the clay, you are the potter;
we are all the work of your hand.
We are the living stones that are the house of God;
1 Peter 2:4-6 (ANIV)
As you come to him, the living Stone—rejected by men but chosen by God and precious to him— [5] you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. [6] For in Scripture it says:

"See, I lay a stone in Zion,
a chosen and precious cornerstone,
and the one who trusts in him
will never be put to shame."
As for regret Jay;
Mark 2:17 (ANIV)
On hearing this, Jesus said to them, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."
If you weren't a sinner, you wouldn't qualify.

[Monique]

Ok I think I am not following this argument here. Are you saying that you dont have to follow the law of God because of grace?

Romans 6:14 (ANIV)
For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace.
If we are not under law there is no sin, because sin is disobedience of the law. This does not mean that sin does not exist, it does, but it no longer has any power over us. Satan cannot accuse or condemn us for something we are allowed to do. Should we then continue to do it, no, but while the potter is in the process of fashioning the pots we should relax in the knowledge that we are no condemned for who we are. Jesus said he will give us life to the full.

I think that you have to try and follow God's law or you will not receive His blessings.

Jesus said "if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments" Matt 19:17

IN Roman 7 Paul not only called the law holy and good v.12 he said "I myself serve the law of God v 25
James wrote that if you offend the law in one point you are "guilty of all" James 2:8-10.

I absolutley agree that we do not obtain salvation through the law. Salvation cannot come by any law, BUT we have to observe the law through the process of conversion.
Living under grace means living according to God's Spirit in humble obedience to His laws. To strive diligently to keep and obey God's every command is the only way we will ever truly be under God's grace.
God's grace is free and unmerited. None of us deserve it. We only deserve death. However if we are NOT willing to change our lives and serve righteousness through the Spirit, God will never extend His grace to us. May God help us to understand this so that His grace will be upon us.

[streetsinger]

Hi Monique, no I'm not saying we don't have to follow the law of God, I'm saying that it is impossible to do so, and that we need to be set free, or rescued, if you will, to be able to, and forgiven if we fall;
Romans 7:19-25 (ANIV)
For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God's law; but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? Thanks be to God—through Jesus Christ our Lord!
So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God's law, but in the sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.
The man who wrote this called himself a pharisee among pharisees, if anyone could obey the law, it was Paul. Note that he was talking in the present tense here. This passage in Romans is the condition of man, and the way to overcome it is to embrace the scriptures I cited in my last post and refuse to let 'the accuser of the brethren' Satan, fill you full of guilt. You point out that Paul says he serves the law, one can serve a master and yet still not be able to reach the standards of the master you serve. and as for James, what law was he refering to?
James 2:8 (ANIV)
If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, "Love your neighbour as yourself," you are doing right.

[Lily]

Regret is not the same as guilt. Regret is feeling sorry

Just from a personal point of view, I'm not sure about that Dan.


My husband did such a wonderful job on my mind, ( you know, the " you made me do it " syndrome ) there is still a tiny hint there of me feeling guilt from the regret that I didn't make a better wife. You know, guilt from regret that if I had been a better wife, he wouldn't have hurt me.

[Lily]

Sorry Dan, I used the wrong quote which made what I said in my last post look silly in context to the quote I used.

This is the one I meant to use.

Regret comes form guilt, but guilt does not come from regret.