Corporal punishment

[streetsinger]

With violent crime on the increase and minors terrorising housing estates, isn't it time to reintroduce corporal punishment? Scripture encourages the rod when disciplining the young:
Proverbs 29:15 (ANIV)
The rod of correction imparts wisdom,
but a child left to himself disgraces his mother.

At present there is no deterrent for youth crime. In many cases, the conditions in the places of correction are better than that of home and, rather than a punishment, it's an improvement. To not punish the young offender often leads to them becoming career offenders, better surely, to nip it in the bud and save society, in the long run, the cost of dealing with a hardened career criminal.

[Lily]

Do you think that " rod " is a literal rod Trev or just a euphomism for discipline ?

[streetsinger]

Do you think that " rod " is a literal rod Trev or just a euphomism for discipline ?

If he had meant discipline Lily surely he would have said so. No, I believe he meant what he said, there has to be a full stop on bad behaviour. A child has to weigh up whether misbehaviour is worthwhile, a stick at the end of it might be the decider. I once stole from my father, I only ever did it once, the price was too high for me to repeat the folly.

[smellycat]

my personal belief is the poor are oppressed.have no ambition in a educational oppresive world.take away hope,you take away belief.

[canny]

Hmmmmmm, should I allow my grown up children to clout me when I misbehave (I think they are older than me really).

Why would it be wrong for a child to clout someone in school if their friend does something bad ?

It just seems a bit odd to be able to clout a child and then clout a child for clouting at least someone of their own size. ( did that make sense)

[Lily]

If he had meant discipline Lily surely he would have said so.

Not sure I agree with that really. Language has changed so much down the years and there are many instances in the Bible certain passages or phrases that don't mean exactly how we at first read them.
Cat and I were having this discussion just the otherday when he asked in a thread about the passage in Genesis where it says God made people in the garden and " he called them Adam ". Doesn't mean to say he called them " both " Adam.
Language of the day meant he made human beings.

But we shall agree to disagree

But in reply to you're OP should we bring it back. I'm not in favour of hitting anyone. Never had to lay my hand on my Son, I knew that depriving him of things he loved was far more effective.

[smellycat]

the mother or father should have this reposibility till grown up.

i keep telling my kids there on a trial period till 16.

then theres the door if your not responsible enough to understand there actions affect others.

we can mould them to our Lord,and hope they understand why later in life.

[streetsinger]

So people, what is your bottom line? Where is your line drawn? What do you do if your child refuses to obey and shows no interest when you hold back the sweeties? What do you do when your child is determined to run in front of a car and breaks away from you to do so?
Psalm 89:32 (ANIV)
I will punish their sin with the rod,
their iniquity with flogging;
Proverbs 13:24 (ANIV)
He who spares the rod hates his son,
but he who loves him is careful to discipline him.
discipline should never be administered in anger, I can only remember chastising once and it was all I could do to keep a straight face when I saw the look of comprehension dawn on my child's face, but chastise I did. All my children learned from that and I never had to do it again, they knew it was in the mix.

[Lily]

What do you do when your child is determined to run in front of a car and breaks away from you to do so?

Um, why would they do that ?

discipline should never be administered in anger,

But more often than not it is, anger because a Parent snaps after a long day,,, any number of reasons and its the wrong time as you say because when someone is angry they become physically stronger.
Also, for a slap to be effective it has to hurt and I wouldn't want to hurt a child physically. It's going to have no effect if it doesn't hurt.

I also wonder ( and not saying this applies to you Trev ), when that small tap/slap no longer works with some children, when does a tap become a slap become a punch ?

I've, for quite a while now, thought more toward also punishing the Parents. I mean they raised them ( I know some come from good homes but so many don't ), why should the people who raised them get off scott free ?

Maybe if Parents were held a little more responsible for what their children get up to then maybe more Parents would start taking an interest in where their little darlins are at night and more importantly, what their little darlins are up to.

[eddybear]

I'm not in favour of corporal punishment. The world is a violent enough place as it is