Corporal punishment

[streetsinger]

[QUOTE=Lily;99140]Um, why would they do that ?

I also wonder ( and not saying this applies to you Trev ), when that small tap/slap no longer works with some children, when does a tap become a slap become a punch ?

I've, for quite a while now, thought more toward also punishing the Parents. I mean they raised them ( I know some come from good homes but so many don't ), why should the people who raised them get off scott free ?

Firstly, you ask why they would do that? My Deborah was the perfect child up to 18 months, then she turned into a banshee. She would totally freak out in supermarkets, in fact anywhere that was public. There was no reason why she should, she was loved and cared for, but she did.
A sharp slap on the leg should never under any circumstances become a punch.
As for holding parents responsible, if you take away their right to chastise, then I can't see how they can be held responsible for not having control. Many children are wise to their rights and threaten to call child line if their parents don't dance to their tune. It's all very well for middle class parents (I'm not insinuating you are in this category Lily) who have the money to pay for horse riding and music lessons etc. activities that can stimulate their kids, to find fault with those who have to work all hours to make ends meet, but these parents have to work the hours that intransigent bosses demand and can't always be there to supervise their children and you say they should be held to account for what they can't control. I find that a bit unfair.

[Lily]

As for holding parents responsible, if you take away their right to chastise, then I can't see how they can be held responsible for not having control.

That wasn't what I meant Trev. I meant Parents who, and I know many from the estate I live on, don't even know where their children are, let alone what they are up to. One family on this estate have children running riot while they are in the pub. So for them it's not a matter of not being able to chastise, there is no chastisment to begin with. As long as it doesn't interfere with their drinking time, they don't care where they are or what they are doing. I meant if we make them responsible if their child gets into trouble, ( fine them, prosecute them, I don't know, just make them face the consequences also ) then maybe they would take more of an interest in where their children were and what they were doing.

[Jay Dub]

Do you think that " rod " is a literal rod Trev or just a euphomism for discipline ?

I believe it was literal also, if you cursed your parents or struck them the law required the penalty of death. There was no playing games, discipline saved their lives.

Striking father or mother Ex. 21:15
Cursing father or mother Ex. 21: 17, Lev. 20:9

My children knew that, when they were disciplined it hurt their father. I know this because they asked their mother. Not only did they not want to be punished, but they did not want to put there parents through that pain. I only remember smacking my daughter on her butt one time in case any where wondering

[Lily]

Not saying we shouldn't discipline. My Son had discipline ( well from me at least ), just saying, I never needed to lay a finger on him to do it. Depriving him of something he loved ( certain toys for a time period or a favorite television programme ) was far more effective for me.

Can't say I even had to do that all that often either.


I mean, we are also talking from a very early age here. I assume the OP was referring to children who have gone off the rails and not children who have had discipline in one form or another. I just don't necesarily think that smacking is the be all and end all.

[smellycat]

all situations are diffrent,the uk law is not to hit,make a mark etc.

you can,t cover everybody with the my child was ok theology.

[canny]

having read some Christian parent sites, the interpretation by some has terrified me, and I would like to be in a room with a rod that a man hit his 18 month old with.. And the man ! I used to think it was extreme until I saw it so often.

[Lily]

As for holding parents responsible, if you take away their right to chastise, then I can't see how they can be held responsible for not having control.

And to be fair Trev, the OP is about corporal punishment not taking away Parents rights to chastice.
Maybe we have a different definition of corporal punishment.

[smellycat]

and iv,e seen kids being moddy codled ,spoilt and a menace to society.i want i get attitude.we have a brain to use .God won,t use it for us.

[Lily]

all situations are diffrent,the uk law is not to hit,make a mark etc.

you can,t cover everybody with the my child was ok theology.

Did I say you could cover everyone with what I found to be effective ? Or did I just say what worked for me ?

[smellycat]

i think schools should be an extension of the home,funny you should say that though lily,my kids can be cheeky to me but never to there teacher.sort of defies logic,maybe its familiararity,or they push us to limits like raptors to find the line.