Bible for Christians, Bible for Jews? is there the 2?

[inquisitive]

Wasnt really sure of title for thread, but will try explain, tho i openly admit i rushing as i due work shortly:

I start off with my first dipping toe in...

What happened to Gentile or Jew no more? woman or man, servant or free?

So if Paul writes that in ephesians, basically uniting all, why then:

Onesi wrote:
You correctly point out that in this "dispensation of grace "(not my words ,but the words of PAul) there is neither Jew nor greek ,etc ,that is absolutely true ...so...if James is writing an Epistle to the 12 Tribes of Israel (who are the Jews )then what must also be true of the book of James

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Why then does James write in that separation still? and the book of James is it to the Jews or is it to Jewish Christians....and if the latter then they are not Jews as such are they if they believe in Christ?

Thats the first bit

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Then i respond with:

So for clarity, you are saying i can disregard the book of James onesi?

Onesi replied:

Dear Inquisitive ,Concerning your question ,about disregarding James , you must ask yourself the question ,How are you saved ?,or to be more precise How are you Justified ? and what exactly are the "good works"James refers to ,now I am not going into what the technical term Justification is ,but that is the question you must ask .

You see James isnt just saying faith and works he is saying that God is demanding you to do definite works "to be justified " James 2:24

so James states that though you have faith you are not justified in the eyes of God unless you adhere to the works of the law ,and any who break one part is guilty of all

James is saying that justification is not assured and is determined by what you do on a daily basis ,so just hope you die on a die when you have carried out these requirements

COmpare what Paul says in Romans 3&4 the section in Romans dealing with Justification of saints saved by the blood part of the Church the Body of CHrist ,where there are no Jews or gentiles etc

beginning in Romans 3:8 -4:25 ...here we are told we are saved through grace by faith and NOT works and it explains fully how we are justified in the eyes of God ,and that is through the cross


So both cannot be true at the same time .

They do not contradict themselves ,they complement themselves


they are both true but they are for different times in Gods plan


one where works decide whether you have justification ,and

one where your justification has been guaranteed through the blood by faith


So the works in James is not the works a saint does that will be tested by fire at the Bema judgement where reward will be given, but the works that determine your salvation at the final white throne judgement ,do not confuse the two,when making your decision

So if the book of James is written to the Jews then i dont need take no notice of it?

And if this is the case, then what other books do i also need not take my ideals from?

Thanks for your input onesi

[andersbranderud]

Quote: “Why then does James write in that separation still? and the book of James is it to the Jews or is it to Jewish Christians.”

(le-havdil), A logical analysis (found here: Netzarim (Hellenized "Nazarene"): Orthodox Israeli Jews, Ra'anana, Israel (that is the only legitimate Netzarim)) of all extant source documents and archeology proves that the historical Ribi Yehosuha ha-Mashiakh (the Messiah) from Nazareth and his talmidim (apprentice-students), called the Netzarim, taught and lived Torah all of their lives; and that Netzarim and Christianity were always antithetical.

Judaism and Christianity have always been two antithetical religions, and thus the term “Jewish Christianity” is an oxymoron.

[Onesiphorus]

Dear Inquisitive ,thankyou , I would like to post here ,but I am not exactly sure where to begin as far as the scriptures are concerned ,so bear with me

[Lambsy]

Christianity is a Jewish religion, far from being antithetical, they are completely complimentary.

Although nothing Jewish survives in Protestantism, other ancient forms of Christianity reflect the fulfillment of the Jewish Faith.

[Lambsy]

Although Paul had a mission to the gentiles, and the other Apostles were working with the Jews, both preached the same Gospel, and the same Faith, and the same means of Salvation.

Christianity is fulfilled Judaism.

[Bloodbought]

Hi Inquisitive

Traditional Jews reject Jesus. They do not believe he was the Son of God. They do not have the New Testament in their scriptures

Ga 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

When Paul wrote that there was no difference He was writing about those who were in Christ Jesus. This does not and cannot include Jews who did not believe that He was the Son of God. When a Jew believes he becomes "In Christ Jesus" and is no different from any one else who believes

[DeaconDan]

Traditional Jews reject Jesus. They do not believe he was the Son of God. They do not have the New Testament in their scriptures

Muslims have a "New Testament", it is called the Koran. So-called Jews have a New Testament, it is called the Talmud. Christians have a New Testament, which by doctrine is the same religion taught in the Old Testament.

[smellycat]

very simple answer is if they follow christ there works are transparent.
if people have more athority than others then they would use this to further the kingdom not themselves.

[Onesiphorus]

You are right SC , to compare These 3 as above is incorrect as

Judaism does "NOT" accept or believe in Christ Jesus as their Lord and saviour as proclaimed in the GOspel of Grace ,and their "NEW COVENANT"is in Jeremiah 31 and they will have to go through the tribulation

Neither does Islam accept Christ Jesus as their LOrd and Saviour as proclaimed in the Gospel of Grace and they as DD says have the Q,uran

CHristians alone believe in the Gospel of grace by faith alone in the redemptive work of our Saviour Christ Jesus


Yes all 3 use the Old testament as their base but the way to salvation are not the same ,and to claim that Christian belief is based on Jeremiah would also be wrong ,as this "new covenant"is prophesied to Judah and Israel and not to "the church the body of Christ "

[inquisitive]

So if the book of James is written to the Jews then i dont need take no notice of it?

And if this is the case, then what other books do i also need not take my ideals from?

Thanks for your input onesi

I am brought to think about this again, what are the other books i can disregard?