First Passover of Exodus 12 occured on Wednesday

[todd_vetter33]

Why does Peter refer to living believers as having been born again? Why do you disagree with Peter?



Then God is one person I can rule out as the author of your posts.



You are introducing more division.



A false witness also tries to gain credibility with frivolous statements about integrity which beg the question.



There are only a few major issues that divide the church. Most of them result from where people place authority. Catholics=tradition. Pentecostals=emotion. Episcopals=world. Mormons=Smith. You=? Why do you make claims that run counter to the heart of Christian doctrine?



What difference does it make what day Jesus died on? The day before the Sabbath, Saturday or a special Sabbath? It just makes someone wrong on an inconsequential detail.



You are trying to say the Bible is wrong because it contradicts unreliable sources outside of the Bible. If the Bible is wrong, then why do you quote it as a reliable authority?

Those who receive the spirit of God are born again. Those who receive the spirit of God can heal with a word. They are of the truth and hear God's voice. They can do all that Jesus did and more.

Is this you?

[todd_vetter33]

three questions for you to answer.

In my original post I illustrate very clearly that the original Passover Lamb was slain on a Wednesday. Does the illustration speak according to the Law and the testimony? The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. The passover Lamb Laws are prophecy which Jesus himself claimed to fulfill.

in the second link I illustrated with historical testimony how Jesus fulfilled the time line of the original Passover in every way by using prophecy as a light to the world (historical testimonies of men).

How many Christians do you know who have done this?

Will you continue to judge me because I speak differently than you even though I am sharing truth where many have spoken a lie concerning these events?

[Tabansi]

We must be born in Spirit because everybody is born in flesh and that everybody is born Sinner

[todd_vetter33]

You are trying to say the Bible is wrong because it contradicts unreliable sources outside of the Bible. If the Bible is wrong, then why do you quote it as a reliable authority?

Had you taken the time to review the study I have shared with you, It could be easily seen that the NT contradicts the OT; for example see below.

It is said that if they speak not according to the Law and the testimony there is no light in them.

Here are two verses of the Law which Jesus claimed to fulfill.

Leviticus 23 NKJV
4‘These are the feasts of the LORD, holy convocations which you shall proclaim at their appointed times. 5 On the fourteenth day of the first month at twilight is the Lord's Passover. 6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to the LORD; seven days you must eat unleavened bread. 7 On the first day you shall have a holy convocation; you shall do no customary work on it. 8 But you shall offer an offering made by fire to the LORD for seven days. The seventh day shall be a holy convocation; you shall do no customary work on it.’”

Exodus 12
6 Now you shall keep it until the fourteenth day of the same month. Then the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it at twilight.

Does Matthew speak according to the Law and the testimony in this verse when He claims jesus was still alive on the 15th day and did not die until the next day (16th day)? If Jesus died on 14 Nissan which my study clearly illustrates, This verse would have had to be a relection of 13 Nissan yet it implies 15 Nissan and causes Jesus to lose credibility to a Jew who know's the Law that Jesus claimed to fulfil.

Matthew 26: 17-18
17 Now on the first day of the Feast of the Unleavened Bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying to Him, “Where do you want us to prepare for you to eat the Passover?” 18 And He said, “Go into the city to a certain man, and say to him, ‘The Teacher says, “My time is at hand; I will keep the Passover at your house with My disciples.”’”


I have over 20 differing denominational speculations on file that I have received from others to defend this verse of testimony. I'm curious to see if your speculation will be different than the 20 I have on File. Did the 20 speculators all receive truth from God for explaining this verse or does a lie propogate a lie?

I quote it as a historical reference in concert with the prophecies to:
1 Illustrate that God's word is prophecy and a light to the world.
2. God said not to uproot the tares or you uproot the wheat.
3. Jesus himself said that there would be good seed and bad seed in the same field. I'm simply using the multiple prophecies OT and NT that were recorded correctly to identify the Bad seed. How could I establish my words to be true if I just claimed the Bibie was in Error and did not make a compelling case for that Error.

The word of God is Spirit and truth, This is why Jesus said that the true worshippers of God would be in spirit and in truth. Who today speaks the truth that speaks according to the Law and the testimony? All build on the bible yet all the christian world is divided.

according to the proverbs, Division and discord is the end result of a lie. It takes truth to deliver souls.

What I am sharing with you is the fulfilment of this Jerimiah prophecy.

Jeremiah 16: 19-20
19 O LORD, my strength and my fortress,*My refuge in the day of affliction, The Gentiles shall come to You From the ends of the earth and say, “Surely our fathers have inherited lies, Worthlessness and unprofitable things.” 20 Will a man make gods for himself, Which are not gods?

When we make a book our God instead of the spirit of truth that Jesus received and promised to share with you and me; What then have we done?

God Bless

[todd_vetter33]

I made a more simplified chart regarding Exodus 16 when applied to a time chart. This is a very printer friendly version where the first two pages can be put side by side for testimony to Time comparison. I marked the Day transitions in the Exodus 16 testimony so it should be easy to follow.

http://www.thedeathandresurection.co...r%20Theory.pdf

Enjoy the studies

God Bless

[todd_vetter33]

I added more information to this study to clarify how much time transpired from the departure from Elim, to the arrival of Israel in the wilderness of sin. Numbers 33 gives more information for defining perception. Combine that information with exodus 16 and also include google earth screen shots illustrating the milage from the place of each encampment and it seals the truth of this scenario.

The reason more information was added is due to some bible versions trying to portray the 15th day of the second month as a travel day instead of a Seventh day Sabbath. This study will clear the confusion on this issue.

Hope you enjoy the information. Be sure to hit your re-fresh button once the link is open so that you can see the new information that I have added to this study.

http://www.thedeathandresurection.co...r%20Theory.pdf

[todd_vetter33]

It is said that the bible is the unchanging perfect word of God. I know the word of God to be the spirit of truth that men are to receive when they are born again as was promised by Jesus when he said he would pour out His spirit on His followers. Do men make a true declaration when they state the bible is God's word? If so which version is the unchanging word of God? Below I illustrate the first two verses of Exodus 16 as it appears in every English translation of the book title "Holy Bible" as seen from Bible gateway.com. What is discovered is confusion regarding when the 15th day of the second month actually occured. I left out what bible version each verse was taken from since men make the claim that "the bible is the perfect word of God". Because this statement is held to be a truth, it should not matter which version these verses came out from.

It's said that God is not the author of confusion. What you will witness by examining every bible version for the way men have translated the first two verses of Exodus 16 is a picture perfect definition of confusion. Question is this; Were any of the translators less inspired by the spirit of God than others? Is the real issue discovered below that men translated a verse based on half the truth because they did not know there was more to the story regarding the travel from Elim to the wilderness of sin? Does Hebrew punctuation lead to the confusion illustrated below?

The million dollar questions are these, did isreal make the journey from Elim to the wilderness of sin in a single day? When did the 15th day of the second month from the exodus from Egypt actually occur, was it when they departed Elim or was it when they arrived in the wilderness of sin? Was it after they arrived in the wilderness of sin? God's word is a light to this confusion. Do you know God's word? (sprit of truth from heaven)

A verse to consider when viewing the below verses of exodus 16 is numbers 33 9-12.

Numbers 33:09-12
They moved from Marah and came to Elim. At Elim were twelve springs of water and seventy palm trees; so they camped there. They moved from Elim and camped by the Red Sea. 11 They moved from the Red Sea and camped in the Wilderness of Sin. 12 They journeyed from the Wilderness of Sin and camped at Dophkah.

What is missing from the first two verses of Exodus 16 that effects punctuation and translation is the fact that Israel camped at the red sea after departing from Elim and before arriving at the Wilderness of sin.

Exdodus 15 last verse - Exodus 16:1-2 from every English bible version

These verses specifically state they began their journey from Elim on the 15th day.
Then they came to Elim, where there were twelve springs and seventy palm trees, and they camped there near the water. On the fifteenth day of the second month after they had left Egypt, the whole company of Israel moved on from Elim to the Wilderness of Sin which is between Elim and Sinai. The whole company of Israel complained against Moses and Aaron there in the wilderness.

Then they came to Elim, where there were twelve springs and seventy palm trees, and they camped there near the water. On the fifteenth day of the second month after the Israelites had escaped from Egypt, they left Elim and started through the western edge of the Sinai Desert [a] in the direction of Mount Sinai. 2There in the desert they started complaining to Moses and Aaron,

These next verses specifically states they arrived in the wilderness of Sin on the 15th day.

Then they came to Elim, where there were twelve springs and seventy palm trees, and they camped there near the water. Then the whole community of Israel set out from Elim and journeyed into the wilderness of Sin,[a] between Elim and Mount Sinai. They arrived there on the fifteenth day of the second month, one month after leaving the land of Egypt.[b] 2 There, too, the whole community of Israel complained about Moses and Aaron.

Then they came to Elim, where there were twelve springs and seventy palm trees, and they camped there near the water. Then the whole community of Israel set out from Elim and journeyed into the wilderness of Sin,[a] between Elim and Mount Sinai. They arrived there on the fifteenth day of the second month, one month after leaving the land of Egypt.[b] 2 There, too, the whole community of Israel complained about Moses and Aaron.

Then they came to Elim, where there were twelve springs and seventy palm trees, and they camped there near the water. The whole Israelite community left Elim and came to the Desert of Sin, which was between Elim and Sinai; they arrived there on the fifteenth day of the second month after they had left Egypt.2 Then the whole Israelite community grumbled to Moses and Aaron in the desert.

Then they came to Elim, where there were twelve springs and seventy palm trees, and they camped there near the water. The whole community of Israel started out from Elim. They came to the Desert of Sin. It was between Elim and Sinai. They arrived there on the 15th day of the second month after they had come out of Egypt. 2 In the desert the whole community told Moses and Aaron they weren't happy with them.

The standard majority verse below implies that they set out from Elim and arrived in the wilderness of sin on the 15th day. Due to lack of information it’s implied that this event took only one day as they are written below.

Then they came to Elim, where there were twelve springs and seventy palm trees, and they camped there near the water. The whole Israelite community set out from Elim and came to the Desert of Sin, which is between Elim and Sinai, on the fifteenth day of the second month after they had come out of Egypt. 2 In the desert the whole community grumbled against Moses and Aaron.

Then they came to Elim, where there were twelve springs and seventy palm trees, and they camped there near the water. 1Then they set out from Elim, and all the congregation of the sons of Israel came to the wilderness of (A)Sin, which is between Elim and Sinai, on (B)the fifteenth day of the second month after their departure from the land of Egypt. . 2 In the desert the whole community grumbled against Moses and Aaron.

Then they came to Elim, where there were twelve springs and seventy palm trees, and they camped there near the water. THEY SET out from Elim, and all the congregation of Israel came to the Wilderness of Sin, which is between Elim and Sinai, on the fifteenth day of the second month after they left the land of Egypt. 2And the whole congregation of Israel murmured against Moses and Aaron in the wilderness,

Then they came to Elim, where there were twelve springs and seventy palm trees, and they camped there near the water. And they took their journey from Elim, and all the congregation of the children of Israel came unto the wilderness of Sin, which is between Elim and Sinai, on the fifteenth day of the second month after their departing out of the land of Egypt. 2And the whole congregation of the children of Israel murmured against Moses and Aaron in the wilderness:

Then they came to Elim, where there were twelve springs and seventy palm trees, and they camped there near the water. And they took their journey from Elim, and all the congregation of the children of Israel came unto the wilderness of Sin, which is between Elim and Sinai, on the fifteenth day of the second month after their departing out of the land of Egypt. 2And the whole congregation of the children of Israel murmured against Moses and Aaron in the wilderness:

Then they came to Elim, where there were twelve springs and seventy palm trees, and they camped there near the water. 1They(A) set out from Elim, and all the congregation of the people of Israel came to the wilderness of Sin, which is between Elim and Sinai, on the fifteenth day of the second month after they had departed from the land of Egypt. 2And the whole congregation of the people of Israel(B) grumbled against Moses and Aaron in the wilderness,

Then they came to Elim, where there were twelve springs and seventy palm trees, and they camped there near the water. And they journeyed from Elim, and all the congregation of the children of Israel came to the Wilderness of Sin, which is between Elim and Sinai, on the fifteenth day of the second month after they departed from the land of Egypt. 2 Then the whole congregation of the children of Israel complained against Moses and Aaron in the wilderness

Then they came to Elim, where there were twelve springs and seventy palm trees, and they camped there near the water. And they took their journey from Elim, and all the congregation of the children of Israel came unto the Wilderness of Sin, which is between Elim and Sinai, on the fifteenth day of the second month after their departing out of the land of Egypt. 2And the whole congregation of the children of Israel murmured against Moses and Aaron in the wilderness.

Then they came to Elim, where there were twelve springs and seventy palm trees, and they camped there near the water. And they took their journey from Elim, and all the congregation of the children of Israel came unto the wilderness of Sin, which is between Elim and Sinai, on the fifteenth day of the second month after their departing out of the land of Egypt. 2 And the whole congregation of the children of Israel murmured against Moses and against Aaron in the wilderness:

Then they came to Elim, where there were twelve springs and seventy palm trees, and they camped there near the water. And they journey from Elim, and all the company of the sons of Israel come in unto the wilderness of Sin, which [is] between Elim and Sinai, on the fifteenth day of the second month of their going out from the land of Egypt. 2And all the company of the sons of Israel murmur against Moses and against Aaron in the wilderness;

Then they came to Elim, where there were twelve springs and seventy palm trees, and they camped there near the water. And they journeyed from Elim, and the whole assembly of the children of Israel came into the wilderness of Sin, which is between Elim and Sinai, on the fifteenth day of the second month after their departure out of the land of Egypt. 2And the whole assembly of the children of Israel murmured against Moses and against Aaron in the wilderness.

Then they came to Elim, where there were twelve springs and seventy palm trees, and they camped there near the water. The entire Israelite community departed from Elim and came to the Wilderness of Sin, which is between Elim and Sinai, on the fifteenth day of the second month after they had left the land of Egypt. (A) 2 The entire Israelite community grumbled (B) against Moses and Aaron in the wilderness.

Then they came to Elim, where there were twelve springs and seventy palm trees, and they camped there near the water. The whole Israelite community set out from Elim and came to the Desert of Sin, which is between Elim and Sinai, on the fifteenth day of the second month after they had come out of Egypt. 2 In the desert the whole community grumbled against Moses and Aaron.

Would Exodus 16 look more like this when the full truth of the matter is fully examined and taken in full context with the testimony that follows for the rest of the chapter of Exodus 16?

They journeyed from Elim, and camped by the Red sea. They moved from the Red Sea and all the congregation of the children of Israel came to the Wilderness of Sin, which is between Elim and Sinai, and camped. On the fifteenth day of the second month after they departed from the land of Egypt, 2 the whole congregation of the children of Israel complained against Moses and Aaron in the wilderness.

What are your thoughts?

[todd_vetter33]

I have re-edited this study on exodus 16:1-2. It can now be found at this link portraying a very clear though process. If you have clicked this link prior be sure to hit the re-fresh key for your browser to update your internet cookies.

http://www.thedeathandresurection.co...2016%201-2.pdf

I have also added more Google earth snapshots and recent discovery pictures to this study. again if you have visited this link. simply re-fresh to update your cookies to see the new information.

http://www.thedeathandresurection.co...r%20Theory.pdf

God Bless