The HIstory of the protestant bible ,and how error has been introduced

[Pariah]

titus212,

Please reread this post from Onesiphorus: Although it is true what you say that the NIV does support those beliefs, but it is the contrary verses that will cast doubts. It is from those verses that false teachings derives from as they reflect the view of Westcott and Hort. Sure you can point to the other parts of the Bible to try to reprove that false teaching, but because it is written in that way in the same Bible, it is no wonder why some believers think Jesus is not God as in the Son of God.

I shall begin this study as It is clear from what is said and believed not only here at Lampstand ,but in all churches and denominations "MODERN TEXTUAL CRITICISM"has permeated the modern versions to such an extent that four things are crystal clear

1......ignores the supernatural character of the bible

2.......ignores satans attack on the bible

3.......ignores GODS promise of preservation

4.......ignores the preeminence of faith


In the late 1800s we have the 2 main architects of 'modern textual criticism 'namely Bishop BRooke Foss Westcott ,an Anglican bishop and professor at Cambridge university and Fenton John Anthony Hort ,also an ordained priest and professor at Cambridge who in 1881 produced a "Greek New Testament "and this "New Testament"was the basis for the English Revised Version of 1881

Westcott and Hort developed a theory called "textual criticism " which has been used in the verions of most of the "modern" bibles saints around the world regard as the preserved word of God ;but I hope I can help to destroy that trust ; in such as the New American Standard Bible and the NIV

These two men have together introduced so much confusion, error, heresy and apostasy by their theories on textual criticism that today saints no longer believe in trusting the Word of God in its purity ,but the deviant teachings of mans wisdom and philosophies .

I will not say any more about these 2 ,but I will show you their own words which will give you some idea of what these mens philosophies were

WEstcott did not believe in the Deity of Christ ,here he tells us that in his book "The Gospel According to Saint John " , that John never speaks of Himself(Jesus)directly as God but the aim of His revelation was to lead men to see God in Him therefore not affirming the identification of the Word with Jesus Christ .


Concerning the scriptures Westcott says

"I reject the infallibility of Holy Scriptures overwhelmingly!!!!

The bible as well as our faith is mere compromise !!!!!

Evangelicals seem to me pervertedThere are I fear stilll more serious differences between us on the subject of authority , especially the authority of The Bible

Concerning Hell ...

Westcott wrote Hell is not the place of punishment of the guilt ,it is the common abode of departed spirits

We have no sure knowledge of future punishment and the word Eternal ha a "far higher meaning "

Creation ...No one now I suppose holds that the first 3 chapters of Genesis for example give a literal history .I could never understand how anyone reading them with open eyes could think they did

But the book which has most engaged me is Darwin ...My feeling is strong that the theory is unanswerable

Concerning ATonement ..I think I mentioned to you Campbells book on Atonement ......but unluckily he knows nothing except Protestant theology

THE POPULAR DOCTRINE OF SUBSTITUTION IS AN IMMORAL AND MATERIAL COUNTERFEIT...NOTHING CAN BE MORE UNSCRIPTURAL THAN THE LIMITING OF CHRISTS BEARING OUR SINS AND SUFFERINGS TO HIS DEATH ,BUT INDEED THAT IS ONLY ONE ASPECT OF AN ALMOST UNIVERSAL HERESY

King James Bible:

Hebrews 10:18Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

New International Version

Hebrews 10:18And where these have been forgiven, there is no longer any sacrifice for sin.

See the difference? Westcott did away with the full meaning of verse 18 in favour of the RCC teachings. You'd say they say the same thing, but they don't as they support the RCC in its insistence of a continual sacrifice for sin for those newly sins committed that have not been forgiven, thus turning the communion into the Mass, thus exposing his belief of not limitting Christ's bearing our sins and suffering to his death.

....IHAVE NO REPUGNANCE TO THE PRIMITIVE DOCTRINE OF A RANSOM PAID TO SATAN .±I CAN SEE NO OTHER FORM IN WHICH DOCTRINE OF A RANSOM IS AT ALL TENABLE ,ANYTHING IS BETTER THAN A RANSOM TO THE FATHER

Hebrews 9:15For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant. New International Version

Hebrews 9:15And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. King James Bible

So does the NIV promote the ransom being paid to Satan? No. But comparing the two, how can there be that many words missing from the original texts that followed after the first covenant in the NIV? How does the absence of those words reflect the belief of Westcott's that a ransom was being paid to Satan? What significance would it have other than if that false teaching was still being circulated, it would be pointing to that verse to imply Westcott's belief as being so.

A little leaven leavens into a whole lump: I have not heard that false teaching... yet, but obviously it was a view held earlier in history.

WESTCOTT SAID I HAVE BEEN PERSUADED FOR MANY YEARS THAT MARY WORSHIP AND JESUS WORSHIP HAVE VERY MUCH IN COMMON AND THE PURE ROMANISH VIEW SEEMS TO BE NEARER AND MORE LIKELY TO LEAD TO THE TRUTH

CONCLUDING IN THIS STATEMENT CONCERNING THE CUMULATIVE EFFECT OF MULTIPLE CHANGES IN THEIR TEXTS TO THE ORIGINAL MANUSCRIPTS

IT IS QUITE IMPOSSIBLE TO JUDGE THE VALUE OF WHAT APPEAR TO BE "TRIFLING ALTERATIONS " MERELY BY READING THEM ONE AFTER ANOTHER ...TAKEN TOGETHER THEY HAVE OFTEN IMPORTANT BEARINGS WHICH FEW WOLD THINK OF AT FIRST ..........IT IS ONE CAN HARDLE DOUBT, THE BEGINNING OF A NEW PERIOD IN CHURCH HISTORY ..SO FAR THE ANGRY OBJECTORS HAVE REASON FOR THEIR ASTONISHMENT

THAT WAS AND IS SO TRUE


it is clear that Westcot was a Darwinian theologist who rejected the authority of scriptures,Biblical salvation ,the reality of Hell , substitionary atonement , makes Christ a created being to be worshipped with Mary and that the use of trifling alterations with the Old Greek Text will begin a new period in Church History

So to end this post I ask anyone to consider when one picks up a version of the New American or the New international version ,or the New King James can you actually now believe that on the pretence of these versions being "easier " to understand that you can also believe what Westcott wrote that the "trifling alterations" taken in their entirity affects the whole ,as we now delve into the truth of the distortions of scripture through the "modern textual criticism" used today .

there really is so much to say , that I will have to continue this in small sections as I have not really come to begin to explain what this method is ,just some brief points on the architects , but even as I write I can see how errors in todays teachings and preachings are the result of this heretical method of interpretation , but one thing I hope you begin to see ..that the modern versions contain the thoughts and philosophies of man intertwined with scripture ,and it is this which I hope and pray we can unravel as time goes by

All I am saying is, if the King James Bible says it differently when you, Brother Varlen, are trying to defend the faith, you may want to refer to that when others are using those singular verses in the other versions to support their erroneous beliefs.

[Onesiphorus]

EXcellent point Pariah ,I have not finished here but i hope you all can see why textual criticism and dynamic equivelancy was used as a method to change doctrine found in the received text ,whch by the way included the Byzantine manuscripts ,Bill

[Pariah]

Looking forward to the continuation of this edge of your seat drama.

Yeah.. I know. It seems like most are lulled into enjoying a ride on the Hindenburg as if any translation will do.

I do believe my flippancey ills becomes me.

I am probably voicing my angst against the lack of attention that this thread deserves.

I know that Jesus is Lord.

I guess the rapture will be the ultimate wake up call for those that have fallen asleep.