Gospel of John Study

[Onesiphorus]

Dear Bill what a thread , it will take a while to review all that is said will get back on this , one point about the Supper , as you say it must be spent with your family so I saw that as the Apostles being Jesus, new kingdom family so to speak , but will look forward to searching the scriptures on this post

Grace and peace in Christ

[marcelle19]

Remember, this is discussion by the power and leading of the Holy Spirit, done in the very love of God (John 13:34, 35; 14:15-17, 23-24, 26; 15:1-17, 26, 27; 16:13-15; Romans 5:5; 1 Corinthians 13:4-8a; Galatians 5:22, 23; 1 John 4:7-11).

This is not to seek to enter into contentiousness in any way, shape or form – I will not do that, as our Lord both commands and provides for us to avoid such things.

I would suggest you look into the connections in the original language, among other things related to proper interpretation of the NT, regarding who is being spoken of when it says “the disciple whom Jesus loved,” as well as the God given consensus among men of God who teach that John, indeed, is both this disciple, and the writer of this gospel and the books by the same name, from the formation of the church to this present day, who would help us to know the sense, and understand the meaning of the reading/teaching of our great and glorious Lord, God, and Savior’s Word (Nehemiah 8:8; Titus 2:13; 2 Peter 2:1).

A.T. Robertson, who is still considered the father of modern Greek interpretation concerning the NT Koine Greek, and whose work is still used most often in all courses on the Koine, differs with you on this point, as do many, many other NT teachers, pastors, commentators, etc. I do not really understand your point, but that John, the apostle appointed by Jesus (Luke 6:13-16), was the writer of the gospel by that name, as well as the letters of the same name, has long been established among evangelical Christianity.

Now, I know the name “evangelical” doesn’t mean what it used to mean, but my use of it is of those who believe in the Scriptures as this site states, and God, and Christ, and the Spirit as the triune Godhead – three persons in one essence, or nature – and that God is in charge of all things, from beginning to end; so, I am not stating the name “evangelical” as that which includes either the emergent church which denies these doctrines, or other movements which also deny these things.

If you would like, I will provide a list of some of those who have, throughout the history of the church, defended the faith in the power and love of God, who would also, lovingly but strongly, disagree with your posited pretexts concerning much of what you say here.

Here is a brief list, besides A.T. Robertson:

Augustine
Jonathan Edwards
John MacArthur
Ray Stedman
John Piper
J.I. Packer
C.H. Spurgeon
Norman Geisler
Josh McDowell
Chuck Smith
Walter Martin
Bruce Metzger
Kenneth S. Wuest
George Whitefield
George Mueller
Arthur W. Pink

Now, I am not a disciple, or a follower, of these men: I am a born-again-by-God’s-Spirit disciple, or follower, of Jesus Christ; however, these men – many still alive – are teachers of the Word as in Ephesians 4:11-16, in the tradition of the doctrine of our Lord, not the traditions or speculations of men. They are teachers appointed by the Lord Himself, as is always the case with those who teach His Word, and as such, He has blessed their teachings to His glory. While it will never happen, before we are perfected by our Lord, that we will agree on all points of the Word of God, the "oneness of mind" we are to hold the doctrines of our Lord in are all equally represented in the God blessed teaching of these men, and the points they differ on are not of those which add to or take away from the central, or cardinal, doctrines of our Lord.


Most of these great men of God (great in loving God through many different ways, as led by the Spirit, especially in the sense of 1 Timothy 2:15 – the works of these men, most of whom are still living, has been both prodigious and a blessing to the church as the universal body of Christ), have expounded well and at length on the texts which you reference or quote, and I would ask that you consider their teachings, in accordance with the law of Christ – not that they are on a par with Scripture, or supplant Scripture, but rather, through submission to the Holy Spirit, confirm and affirm Scripture strongly, as is to be the case with all such who teach the Word.

Their teaching, which confirms and affirms the Word of God in a manner by which He glorifies Himself, is readily available to all who would like to study the bible in an expository manner, most of which is free, on the Internet, and I would be more than happy to supply the links for anybody who is interested.

Again, this post is not to enter into argument or dissension with you in any way, but to encourage you to look into this matter more.

In His grace and love always,

Bill

P.S.

This is an invitation to study further on the day 2 question as to who was the author of the book we call the gospel of John.

Any other feedback? Would you like to know the prevalent belief about this book's authorship from a number of different sources, such as those teachers of the Word listed above, or others who had, or are having, a huge impact on the life of Christ's body by obedience to Him, by His Spirit, in His love, peace, grace and holiness?

Let me know...Love in Christ, everlasting.