Bible translations

[JIP]

You're making me think too hard, JIP.

Kinda confused myself. No worries. Whatever we call it, its a bible.

[titus212]

I was raised on NIV and it is closer to the original KJV than any other translation, save the NKJV. Although if the KJV is preferred, I would rather use the NKJV. Just my opinion.

Varlyn (The VMan)

[gibby]

Looks like the NKJV is in a close 2nd.

[gibby]

I will give this poll until the first of December, then I will change the translation to reflect the popular vote.

[JIP]

Fair enough Gibby.

[Pariah]

Hi JIP,

All others coming after the authorized KJ are versions of the KJ, right? You cannot call it a version of King James until you edited or corrected on the original one. Correct me please.

Actually, the King James Version or Bible has been transcribed from the Received Text or the Textus Receptus. The other bible versions has been transcribed from the Alexandrian files where gnostics writings came from which tends to lead me to think that the copyists were not so adhering to the meaning of God's Words since they were taking poetic license and liberty in creating gnostics writings.

One can find such errors in changing the meaning of God's words by comparing NIV with the KJV of Romans 8:26,27.

Romans 8: 26In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groans that words cannot express. 27And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints in accordance with God's will.

Now due to present day apostasies, some that have gone astray have used those verses to give support to paryer language as being seperate from the gift of tongues to justify not having an interpretor. Also, there are those that use the verse above to suggest it is okay to pray to the Holy Spirit. Let us examine those verses above.

How can the "he" ( a Third Person) in verse 27 that searches the hearts and knows the mind of the Spirit, be the "Spirit" that makes intercessions for the saints according to the will of God? It can't. It goes against grammar. Let us read the KJV.

Romans 8: 26Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. 27And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

Now note the KJV as it refers to the same "he" that searcheth our hearts AND knoweth the mind of the Spirit, is the "he" that maketh intercessions for the saints according to the will of God to be none other than Jesus Christ the Lord as He is the ONLY Mediator between god and man, the man Christ Jesus.

If you read verse 26, the Holy Spirit makes intercessions with groanings not uttered, hence no sound. So this leads the reader to think "how then?" as he reads onto the next verse. Because the Holy Spirit is in us, He fulfills the role of the Comforter in that even if we do not know what to pray.. or even have time to pray, Jesus Our Mediator knows what is going on because of the Comforter being in us. So not only does the KJV blows away the NIV for supporting prayer language but the KJV gives more peace than the NIV in that you do not have to have a prayer language to rest in Jesus. The KJV also confirms Whom our prayers should be addressing towards as it is by Jesus, we have access to the Father in praying to Him also in Jesus' name.

So by the KJV, we can discern the errors of the perilous times we live in whereas the NIV would have those small changes that would cause the believer to "gloss" over what is plainly written elsewhere in their errant bible versions to be against an unbiblical practise. Because of those change in meaning in a few places, believers cannot discern heresey by their errant bible versions.

There are more as some verses would be altered to place the emphasis on man. Because of the religious call of the day, believers have taken the word "commit" to mean making a commitment to Christ or making a commitment to follow Him from the NIV below.

1 Peter 4: 19So then, those who suffer according to God's will should commit themselves to their faithful Creator and continue to do good.

The word, "commit" in this verse is being used religiously as in referring to "I will" in making a commitment to their faithful Creator and on them to make a commitment to continue to do good. But commit can also mean "entrust" as it is being used below.

1 Peter 4: 19Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator. KJV

Thus the suffering believers are entrusting the keeping of their souls unto the faithful Creator in well doing as the well doing is on the faithful Creator... not on man. NIV makes one looks at himself while he is suffering. KJV places the hope on Jesus while they are suffering for He is able to keep them from falling, yes?

So even here, the other bible versions changed the meaning of God's Words so that when correcting wayward believers by the KJV that Jesus did not have any confidence in the flesh of man in being able to keep their commitments to Him or their commitments to follow Him, they would surrender from their religious strivings and rest in Him and His promises to us in helping us live as His, but they don't, because they believe Jesus looked to man to be serious in following Him by the errant bible versions with man-made bondages to declare their witness to the world of themselves of "I will" for God, thus a false witness. The Gospel is Good News TO man.

If anyone had any doubts as to WHOM scriptures are to testify of, then proof is below.

John 5: 39Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 40And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life. 41I receive not honour from men.

John 15: 26But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: 27And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.

John 5: 22For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

So when errant bible versions points to the Spirit or to man whereas the KJV in those small changes points to Jesus... go with the KJV for the actual meaning of scriptures. It is by the KJV with My Good Shepherd's help that I have been able to discern heresey in the perilous times we live in. Amen.

[paul]

Isnt it great that a 17th century English translation of the bible is thought to be the definitve version of the bible?

[JIP]

Isnt it great that a 17th century English translation of the bible is thought to be the definitive version of the bible?

Yes true this is a topic that will never have a closure. Texts & versions provide the raw material for the discipline known as textural criticism. And generally speaking, the greater the age of the document the greater its authority. The errors that run into any translation or versions seem to run in well defined channels. If we individually evaluate these errors we will have an idea where each one's preference stands. The common errors according to the New Bible Dictionary says the following:-
1. Haplography - failure to repeat a letter or a word.
2. Dittography - repeating what occurs only once.
3. False recollection - of a similar passage or of another.
4. Homoeoteleuton - omission of a passage between identical words.
5. Line omission - sometimes through homoeoteleuton.
6. Confusion of letters of similar form.
7. Insertion - into body of text of marginal notes.

Well maybe then the time factor didn't matter much since authors from different periods on the same subject have been taken as one.
And somebody rightly posted in one of our threads on the same matter that comparative study of texts can help towards the elimination of corruption. Lets see how our study helps us to narrow the errors for a better understanding of the Word.

[JIP]

This is from an interview in the radio, with one person who has been studying the Bible versions question for many years. He believes, that the KJ Bible is the only truly inspired Word of God. He says, “Those of you, who have fellowshipped with me over the years, know this - and why I stand fast on the KJ bible”. The radio interview progressed until an analogy was offered by the KJ “expert”: He said, that there have been over 200 versions of the Bible printed and sold since the 1800s. He said that there are only two valid reasons for trying to change what is already the perfect Bible - the profit motive,and the desire to add confusion to the Christian walk. He further stated, “what I have often offered while justifying my position as regards the KJ Bible: the KJ Bible convicts the believer” - as explained in Heb_4:12 . For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. The world has a saying: “The truth hurts.” God’s pure truth also “hurts”, when it is accepted as such – it convicts the spirit of any believer, who isn’t walking in the truth.

[gibby]

Well, KJV is the clear winner so I have made the changes. Links will now be directed to KJV.